Re: World Class Player Reveals Secrets
 

Obviously your point is that players tend to play much worse in the B&M setting but how? Well I would guess that:

a) More players limp early with crap in the equivalent B&M game.

b) More straightforward play in the equivalent B&M game.

c) Much less aggression in the equivalent B&M game.

d) Visual information is available in the equivalent B&M game.

I realize that this is a generalization. The number of hands per hour available for multitabling online is a very attractive option in my mind but I agree that if the EV isn't there then it's not attractive.

I have been what I call dabbling in online poker, mostly tournaments. I haven't devoted much time to it though. Even at a limit like $3-6, if you can play 8 tables you can theoretically make a decent chunk of change pretty easily. I've observed the $3-6 action and I'd say it varies alot in how profitable it is. I've looked at the higher limit games and they often seem tight and unappealing but not sure how often. Some of these games have helped me refine me take on the least profitable limit hold'em games [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. Anyway I'm fairly certain that my poker playing activities will be picking up in about 6 months or so. Thanks for input on the differences. The local B&M games like $10-20 and $20-40 when spread seem pretty soft to me.

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I think there may be more truth in this poster's post than most of the respondents (thus far) are willing to admit.

I played a few days of live $20-$40 a few months ago. It was literally like day and night compared to the online games.

Hell, I may go back to playing full-time live soon; I've been considering it anyway.

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But any World Class Player should be able to adjust to either game. I also started out playing in casinos before playing online. I was able to adjust and I am not even close to world class.

This poster is just a troll anyway.

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Wow, you're a WCP. You must have been really unlucky losing on the internet. It of course has nothing to do with your skill as a pokerplayer but the luck of others...

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I got killed playing 15-30. Literally killed.

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Wow! I didn't know dead people could post. I'm also a curious as to how you died from playing online poker. Did a bad beat get your so mad you had a heart attack? Did your monitor explode? Was there a bare 120V wire in your CPU touching the case which was plugged into an ungrounded outlet and you got electrocuted? Well, maybe you just don't know the meaning of "literally".

Okay, I'm being a usage Nazi, but misuse of the word "literally" is one of my pet peeves. If you literally got killed, you are now dead.

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I played no differently than in the casinos, but I just got crushed.

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I think I found your problem.

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Online the good players contribute to the bad players! You know what I mean.

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Actually, I have no idea what you mean. I'm not sure what your definitions of "good player" and "bad player" are, but IMO, the only definition that makes sense is that the "bad players" are the ones contributing, and the "good players" taking their money(long term of course. In one hand, or one session, the bad players can take the good players' money, as we all know too well). You may be a "good player" in the casino, but you were a mediocre player (you did say you just over break-even) online. The "bad players" who didn't play the way you thought they should play, but took your money were really good players.

I believe you when you say you made money in casinos, but I don't think you're "world class". You are good enough to beat mid limit casino fish for a decent living, but the Party 15/30 was a little too tough for you, and you didn't know how to adapt. Maybe you're good at reading tells, and without that source of information, you had a hard time coping with the agressive online 15/30 players when you can't tell whether they're bluffing or not. There's a good possibility that I'm one of the "bad players" that took money from you at 15/30. Lot's of people tell me I'm a bad player, but I keep taking their money. Maybe you would eat me alive in a live game. Maybe not. I've made pretty decent money at the Party $15/30 and now $20/40. The fact that you couldn't beat it doesn't mean it can't be beaten.

I haven't played $15/30 in casinos, because I live in Colorado, the land of "limited gaming" ($5 max bets). I do pretty well in 2-5 spread limit when I play it, but i don't play it much when I can stay home and four-table $20/40. However, people on this site mostly say that online $15/30 is a much tougher game that casino $15/30, and I believe them. You're not going to get much respect here telling us that online poker can't be beaten, because a lot of us are beating it. If you can do better in casinos than online, by all means keep playing in the casinos, but if you couldn't beat online $15/30, it probably just means that you're not quite as good a poker player as you think you are.

Re: World Class Player Reveals Secrets - SHORT VERSION
 

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Hi everybody.

I'm a mediocre player who has been playing for over 30 years. I've seen it all, believe me. Yet, get this, I've never won a major poker tournament because I suck at them too, okay, I don't play in very many because I am always broke, and, this is the important part, I am just over a break even player on line because I am not as good as my competition. This makes an old fart like me jeaoulous that 18 year old kids kicked my ass online.

Thats why I felt the need to make this long useless post trying to convince myself that it is not my fault that I suck after thirty years of playing poker. All you dang kids are full of crap when you claim you win online.

I am secretly copnvinced online is rigged, but I don't even have the balls to say it on an anonymous internet forum.

Yours Truly,

Old Sucky Poker Player


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Cliff notes version.

Orange

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Nice hand.

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Well said Cored

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I win online, but that's only because I'm way better than world class.

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I agree one should be able to adjust, Max; I just think the live games are WAY softer.

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That's pretty much it.

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I win online, but that's only because I'm way better than world class.

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You have to be at least solar system class to beat 2/4 on Party.