Re: Stratosphere taking money from their dealers?
 

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I used to be a parter in a nightclub in a former life, The waitresses tip out the bartender. The bartender tips out the barback, and everyone tips out the buss boys. Floor manager makes a small skim off the tips. Everyone is happy and everyone is encouraged to make the customers happy so everyone profits.

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Has a real Casino (the movie) rip off feel to it. Am I wrong?

Re: Side Note about F\'Woods
 

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Foxwoods has a mix of very competent, quick, knowledgeable dealers and total rookies who can't manage 12 hands a half hour. There is little incentive for dealers to do anything because any individual tables tip output does basically nothing to their bottom line. It also eliminates the best mechanism for weeding out "the weak" among the dealers.

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Re: OK OK already guys
 

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I would honestly like to know why you think tipping out chiprunners is "ok and feels good", but you dont feel the same about floorpersons?

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Because the hourly pay is considerably different. In addition, the potential for abuse exists in situations where floormen (i.e. bosses) REQUIRE their employees to tip out. If we were talking purely voluntary tipping out here I doubt this would be much of a thread.

Also, your use of quotes is inappropriate, I never said the exact words you are "quoting" here. Small details do count in Capone's world, no matter how irrelevant. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Still tho, this thread shouldn't be a "can of worms." It's opinion, and opinion, even mine, even after I've been drinking beer, is not FACT. "Industry standard" does not equate to a heavenly directive handed down directly from Jesus H. to the poker world, and in the case of forced tipping of floorpersons, the whole thing is even less black and white.

al

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Re: OK OK already guys
 

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I would honestly like to know why you think tipping out chiprunners is "ok and feels good", but you dont feel the same about floorpersons?

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Because the hourly pay is considerably different. In addition, the potential for abuse exists in situations where floormen (i.e. bosses) REQUIRE their employees to tip out. If we were talking purely voluntary tipping out here I doubt this would be much of a thread.

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Aha,I was waiting for someone to bring this up. In most major (large), "real" [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] poker rooms, a floorperson is NOT a boss. They are an employee that reports to the shift manager and has no authoritative control over a dealer, chiprunner or any other employee.
You are right, it is all opinion, especially when it comes to smaller rooms. But there is an industry standard in the larger rooms, and they work very well (for the most part).

Re: OK OK already guys
 

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In addition, the potential for abuse exists in situations where floormen (i.e. bosses) REQUIRE their employees to tip out.

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As Michael pointed out the floormen just work there in a larger room. In samller rooms the potnetial for abuse is eliminated if the toke rate is a fixed "fee" if everyoen is paying the same amount there is no room for abuse. There is an issue with establishing it to begin with, I woudl say the best thing to do in a new room is follow the industry standard.

Re: OK OK already guys
 

Some (hopefully) final thoughts...

1. The strat is a small cardroom with eight tables. That's what we were originally talking about.

2. In small cardrooms, including the strat, the floorperson is essentially the boss in all respects, except for possibly making the schedule, since no one else of any authority at all is in the room while they are on duty. Having them either on your side or against you could make a big difference in your daily experience at work.

3. In small cardrooms, the floors almost always get a cut of daily tournament dealer add-on fees and of the tips. This should make up for any salary deficiencies they might take by working as a floorman in that room. In my cardroom this is particularly true, and tipping them out (on top of their rather sizeable tournament cut) would be laughable. This very well might not apply to larger cardrooms, where different practices undoubtedly exist, which leads me to point #4...

4. I haven't worked in large or very large cardrooms like commerce, the bike, the taj, etc. I don't know everything there is to know on this subject. It's an interesting topic, but probably doesn't deserve to be so heated.

al

Re: OK OK already guys
 

i would like to see a list of the casinos in las vegas where the dealers are forced to tip out the floormen...
because i would like to stop tipping the dealers there, if theyre just gonna piss their money away to jackholes..
never met a floorman minus the attitude [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Re: OK OK already guys
 

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i would like to see a list of the casinos in las vegas where the dealers are forced to tip out the floormen...
because i would like to stop tipping the dealers there, if theyre just gonna piss their money away to jackholes..
never met a floorman minus the attitude [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Stiffing the dealers fixes nothing. Taking your business elsewhere fixes many things.

Re: Stratosphere taking money from their dealers?
 

As a poker player I have always thought of a floorperson as a part of management. I thought they should be compensated from the rake and not my tips. Being compensated from tips could lead to favortism for the bigger tippers. Tipping dealers does not lead to a conflict of interest as the dealer would not be making final decisions concerning the players money. Floor persons do have the final say in conflicts.

I dealt craps for two years. I had never heard of tipping the floop persons out of our tips. I don't think any of the dealers tipped the floor. The floor was not allowed to accept tips from the players directly. (For obvious reasons). If you do tip the floor you are paying taxes, fica etc. on money that you are not receiving. Just my opinions........

Thank you,

Jim Kuhn
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Re: Stratosphere taking money from their dealers?
 

As a poker player I have always thought of a floorperson as a part of management.

I knew that wasn't true the moment I was asked about taking a job as a floor person. My first question was what are the benefits, the second question was would I be allowed ot play.

The answers were, none and no. Easy interview.