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Is that kind of like a faith based initiative?

Go Jesus, go Jesus, go Jesus.

Sorry. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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It's the new buzzword/phrase, liberals are using on the internet, when anyone says something illogical

Apoligies. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Have a Beer with Ted, lol how bout we have a fifth with ted and then go drive our car off a bridge with our mistress inside, yeeeeeehaaaaaaa

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no amount of willpower will make a homosexual find women attractive.

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The fundamentalists would disagree with you on that.

it is an important question though.

I do believe that homosexuality is innate, and not a choice. If, however, it were found to be a choice(which I doubt), then it would shine a whole new light on possible workplace protections for gays, etc.

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I really don't see the [censored]/alcoholic analogy since we're not talking about addiction with the former

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I wasn't making a linkage on the issue of addiction. I was making a linkage on the issue of both being in a scientific grey area where we are not yet able to empirically prove our assumptions about these conditions (both being in the mind - an area science has a long way to go in understanding).

Assertions about alcoholism (lifetime assertion), and assertions about sexuality (born with it assertion), are not yet proven by science.

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Indeed. Whereas Alcholism can be beaten through sheer willpower and determintation, no amount of willpower will make a homosexual find women attractive. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

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Regardless of what you believe about homosexuality (genetic or choice), it's not about addiction. I certainly am not trying to stir up that debate AGAIN. There are only about 50 threads on it already. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Hey, Kennedys can get away with that you know.

They're not commoners.

Besides, Ted has done great work in the Senate on...umm.. well I'm sure he's done great work on something there. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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So you are saying Alcholism just dissapears, contrary to years of scientific research?

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I guess the concept of curing a disease is not in your book?

Years of research have not proved a lifetime linkage.

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Thats the thing my man, Alcholism IS considered a diesease! Albeit only by those science types you seem to have disdain for.

We are only able to mitigate against Alcholism at this time, not fully cure it.

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I really don't see the [censored]/alcoholic analogy since we're not talking about addiction with the former

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I wasn't making a linkage on the issue of addiction. I was making a linkage on the issue of both being in a scientific grey area where we are not yet able to empirically prove our assumptions about these conditions (both being in the mind - an area science has a long way to go in understanding).

Assertions about alcoholism (lifetime assertion), and assertions about sexuality (born with it assertion), are not yet proven by science.

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I thought it was widely accepted that alcholism was a lifetime affliction?

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I thought it was widely accepted that alcholism was a lifetime affliction?

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There is a dispute in the treatment field. Al Anon is a big proponent of the lifetime addiction theory, and any treatment program that encourages attendance of AA meetings will agree. Treatment programs independent of AA often treat alcoholism as a curable disease, on the other hand.

The dominance of AA in this society means that most people in the treatment industry almost have to agree with the AA position to prosper in their profession.

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The dog. Do you see why?