Re: Flopped set on a suited flop: Cap of fold?
 

Definitely cap the flop with 3 callers.
Definitely cap the turn with 3 callers (you're still 1:4 to fill-up/make quads, so if they all call, you're golden)
Check/call one the river unimproved.

-d

Re: Flopped set on a suited flop: Cap of fold?
 

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I was positive the board wouldn't pair.

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Oh. My.

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I know. I'd like to say that comment was sarcastic, but it wasn't. I think I've learned this lesson. Now I'm off to hide under my bed and reread the post flop section of SSHE.

Final Pot: 16 BB
Main Pot: 16 BB, between SB, BB and CO.

Pot won by CO (16 BB).


SB shows Qs 9d (one pair, nines).
BB shows Qd 8h (high card, queen).
CO shows Ts 6h (two pair, tens and sixes).
Outcome: CO wins 16 BB.

I know, I know. I felt like putting my head in the oven when I saw it. I guess it was a 20+ big bet lesson. Don't fold a set on the flop. Fortunately this happened a few hands later.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (25 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (18.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, <font color="CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls, MP3 calls.

River: (30.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, MP3 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 33.50 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 33.50 BB, between SB, MP3 and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by Hero (33.50 BB).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
SB shows 8c 9c (high card, ace).
MP3 shows Ah 7c (two pair, aces and sevens).
Hero shows Kc Kd (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 33.50 BB. </font>

Re: Flopped set on a suited flop: Cap of fold?
 

The SB in this example is why you can never assume that someone has something good to call you down the entire way.

Re: Flopped set on a suited flop: Cap of fold?
 

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Pot won by CO (16 BB).


SB shows Qs 9d (one pair, nines).
BB shows Qd 8h (high card, queen).
CO shows Ts 6h (two pair, tens and sixes).
Outcome: CO wins 16 BB.


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I know I should not; but looking at the action i find this totally shocking

Re: Flopped set on a suited flop: Cap of fold?
 

Me TOO! I was thinking made flush, top pair Ad, and a set of two, taking away a bunch of the outs - this is incredible.

These results are just scary.

Re: Flopped set on a suited flop: Cap of fold?
 

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I just read this item yesterday:

Bet, Raise or Fold


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Wow, that article is just full of horrible advice.

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"Remember, it is always correct to fold if you think you are beat. It's ok to get bluffed. It happens, and good players can be bluffed, bad players cannot."

Huh? Fold for one bet on the river after betting like crazy until that point? Ed would kick this guy's butt [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Flopped set on a suited flop: Cap of fold?
 

This is akin to folding KK when it is 4-bets to you preflop.
Though folding this set is worse.

You guys haven't played on party much if you are 'shocked' by those results.
Crazier pots with crazy multiway bluffing/overplaying are a common sight up to 2/4.
(Which is as high as I have played, maybe it continues higher.)

Edit: took out the obnoxious told you so part.

Re: Flopped set on a suited flop: Cap of fold?
 

I havent read the posts yet but this fold sucks big time. You're probably 2-1 to make a boat and you're getting 3-1 for every bet you put in on the flop. Cap for value.

Edit: Okay i basically just repeated what most people said. bleh

Re: Flopped set on a suited flop: Cap of fold?
 

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I dunno know why Nottom implied I was out of line for suggesting hero probably had the best hand on the flop.
Monster under the bed syndrome?


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I just think its absurd to actually put someone on an underset rather than a flush. I think its reasonably likely our hero has the best hand.

Honestly I don't even understand why this thread is still going, becasue folding the flop is such a blatent mistake its hardly worth discussing.

Re: Flopped set on a suited flop: Cap of fold?
 

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This is akin to folding KK when it is 4-bets to you preflop.

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But it seems to be OK to fold KK to a 5-bet .