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I said i would because TT,JJ,KK,AA all have you beat. How many other hands reraise?

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apparently a lot. holla

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I absolutely hate the river "blocking bet". What the hell are you blocking? All better hands still call. Worse hands now don't bluff at you. Ugh.

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so yer content to check fold a river for less than 500? holla

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would anyone else in the world be crazy enough to check fold this flop? cuz it was a strong consideration. holla

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*COUGH WEAK TIGHT COUGH* DONT BE PHIL HELLMUTH!!!

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lol. so many people are terribly wrong about phil being too weak tight. it works out rather well for him. holla

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would anyone else in the world be crazy enough to check fold this flop? cuz it was a strong consideration. holla

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i might but i think id prefer to bet/fold

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I agree, I think if you're gonna go anywhere with this hand it's a bet/fold.

It's a really weird hand because it's the third hand of the tournament or something like that and you have no clue if the guy knows how to play. I might be losing EV by treating these plays cautiously early, I just know that unless he is a total jackass (which he was) you've either lost on the flop already or are beating exactly AK.

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lol. so many people are terribly wrong about phil being too weak tight. it works out rather well for him. holla

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I know he isn't I'm just busting his balls a bit. But c'mon, you can't check fold here, bet if you get raised big it's an easy fold since it's early in the tournament.

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lol. so many people are terribly wrong about phil being too weak tight. it works out rather well for him. holla

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I know he isn't I'm just busting his balls a bit. But c'mon, you can't check fold here, bet if you get raised big it's an easy fold since it's early in the tournament.

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well, i think you CAN.. but it may not be the best play.. but it should still be an option at least CONSIDERED. iduno, maybe not. holla

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No, I'll check call. If you bet you win the pot only when your hand is best, and (save a few rare cases like this one) you dont get 500 more chips when you do, just the immediate pot. If you check/call you win when you're best plus extra chips. You still lose to better hands for (probably) the same price.

But the real critical point in this hand is the flop, not the river. I'm not loving the bet/fold (unless its a pretty strong bet) because there's just too much of a chance of him minraising you again. I mean I highly doubt the guy who "scarily" takes control of the pot with a preflop minraise has any plans of folding the flop. UNLESS you take control of the pot again and make a strong bet. A lead I just don't think accomplishes that. But a checkraise might.

Everett

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PokerStars Game #2711310913: Tournament #12671146, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/10/02 - 16:36:30 (ET)
Table '12671146 127' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: doubleace13 (2380 in chips)
Seat 2: OCANOBEER (2820 in chips)
Seat 3: Bebop86 (2500 in chips)
Seat 4: ITG7 (2240 in chips)
Seat 5: SPQR007 (2340 in chips)
Seat 6: LTP124 (2450 in chips)
Seat 7: mr. lee1 (2460 in chips)
Seat 8: nino31 (2410 in chips)
Seat 9: Nicodemus75 (2820 in chips)
Nicodemus75: posts small blind 10
doubleace13: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bebop86 [Qh Qd]
OCANOBEER: calls 20
Bebop86: raises 70 to 90
ITG7: raises 130 to 220
SPQR007: folds
LTP124: folds
mr. lee1: folds
nino31: folds
Nicodemus75: folds
doubleace13: folds
OCANOBEER: folds
Bebop86: calls 130
*** FLOP *** [Jh Th 5c]
Bebop86: checks
ITG7: bets 280
Bebop86: calls 280
*** TURN *** [Jh Th 5c] [3c]
Bebop86: checks
ITG7: bets 120
Bebop86: calls 120
*** RIVER *** [Jh Th 5c 3c] [Ad]
Bebop86: bets 500

i pretty much detest how i played this hand. i was very very confused about what to do, and i almost just mucked on the flop. every hand i was ahead of that rr pf just beat me, and AK isnt looking awful either. god. ok so whats a better line? i havent been this tricked out about a hand in a LONG time. holla

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After the flop I'd put in a big re raise.

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I think by leading the flop you would know exactly where you stand. A bet of 275 or so looks about good.

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Ummmmmmmmm

So if someone raises, where do you stand? And if someone calls, where do you stand? I never understand posts like this.

-Jason

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Check-call the flop, check-raise the turn when a blank hits to maximize the amount of chips you can extract from villain and take control of the hand. I wouldn't hate a check-raise on the flop either, but there's only 8 overcards that's scaring hero off this pot and if villain holds 1 of these then there's only 7 left in the deck that hero doesn't want to see. I prefer the line that extracts more chips but you can choose the flop C/R to avoid being pushed off the pot on the turn in case an overcard hits.