Re: The toughness of games at absolute
 

A lot of those players are on my fish list.

Re: The toughness of games at absolute
 

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Ah, the age old question: choose nice rakeback deals or juicy games.

I believe this was one of the topics covered in the Lincoln/Douglas debates.

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lol

Re: The toughness of games at absolute
 

you are on my fish list

Re: The toughness of games at absolute
 

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The absolute games are pretty tough.

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Really?

Compliments of PokerGeek
Absolute Limit Hold'em Ring - $10/$20 Stakes (3 handed)

Preflop: Button raises, Small blind folds, Kurosh calls

Flop: (4.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Kurosh checks, Button bets, Kurosh raises, Button raises, Kurosh raises, Button calls

Turn: (7.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Kurosh bets, Button raises, Kurosh calls

River: (11.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Kurosh checks, Button bets, Kurosh calls

Final Pot: $243

Results below:
Button has K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (One pair, kings)
Kurosh does not show T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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how could this river call be less than a 1BB mistake? how?

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against some people its a 1bb mistake.

against some people its a 0bb mistake (i.e. +EV)

without any reads its probably a mistake but not a full bb one at all

seeing kurosh play first hand id be valu betting way way worse than KK in that spot. gotta tighten your game up man.

Barron

Re: The toughness of games at absolute
 

mine too, especially yogi bear [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Re: The toughness of games at absolute
 

rake-free games are a lot more useful at the low limits. at the higher limits, you lose any game selection, you probably feel somewhat obligated to earn a big rakeback check from them (I'd imagine baronzeus pulls in 10k+ a month in rakeback [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]), and the rake isn't that big to begin with. at 5/10 you are gaining about 1.9 BB/100 compared to 25% RB Party. at 10/20 it's around 1.35. at 25/50 it's around .66 compared to 20/40 on Party. so the benefit gets exponentially smaller. you guys say the 5/10 games suck. can they be worth 1.9 BB/100 less? also it seems like very few are winning serious money on there. maybe that's because baronzeus is taking it all

Re: The toughness of games at absolute
 

actually if u truly are "rake-free" on AP the 5-10 puts u at 2.5 to 3bb per 100. This of course is playing 6max games and such, its worse if u play 9 handed. So u have slightly tougher games (no one is world class or anything and a more than a decent amount of players suck postflop still) but u are automatically a 2.5-3bb winner, sometimes more if u play 2-4 handed a lot. really though, I think once u get past 10/20 its best to just head over to stars or Party. You will want to have more game selection for 15/30 and beyond.

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Come on these games aren't THAT hard. Almost every game I'm playing has 1 player thats good, one who is too tight and sucks postflop, and 1 super lagtard or 1 super loose passive. Good seat position and decent game selection is all that's required. There are some games that are absolutely horrible there but so what? How hard is it to jump games or just stop playing for 15mins do the dishes and come back when some new players show up? This isn't a problem with AP it's a problem with all medium sized sites.

If the fish goes bust and you butt heads with the remaining 2 players who happen to be the best players at that limit then you really can't complain about running bad or tough games.

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but u are automatically a 2.5-3bb winner

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come on. reread that [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] no guarantee someone can beat the game, even rake free

Re: The toughness of games at absolute
 

Those 1.9 and 1.2 bb handicaps are a pretty big deal. At 5/10, i think you won't find soft enough games online to make up for that much. But you're almost certainly right about 25/50.

25% at party? But I thought....ok i'll IM you.