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Unfortunately I still have you beat.

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are you sure something else isnt at play here? you're very clearly winning for 40k hands and then very clearly losing for 40k hands, its night and day.

or am i misreading it and you just switched to bigger stakes at one point?

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I wasnt gonna say anything in this thread at first because I really didnt wanna get flamed. However, I find it very hard to believe that these 600BB downswings are due simple to varience. It wasnt too long ago that davidross made a similar post & was told by alot of people that it wasnt varience, that he simply wasnt playing good enough. How can you people not even consider questioning your play when you've dropped 600 bets?

Re: minus 581 bets.
 

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I wasnt gonna say anything in this thread at first because I really didnt wanna get flamed. However, I find it very hard to believe that these 600BB downswings are due simple to varience. It wasnt too long ago that davidross made a similar post & was told by alot of people that it wasnt varience, that he simply wasnt playing good enough. How can you people not even consider questioning your play when you've dropped 600 bets?

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YOu seriously think im not questioning my play?

Re: minus 581 bets.
 

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Unfortunately I still have you beat.

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are you sure something else isnt at play here? you're very clearly winning for 40k hands and then very clearly losing for 40k hands, its night and day.

or am i misreading it and you just switched to bigger stakes at one point?

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ALmost all of the winning was in the 20. I then moved to the 30, but moved back to the 20 after starting to lose in the 30. THe majority of losing is in the 20 as well. I then moved back to the 10 and coninued to lose there too.

About a third of the way into the downswing was when the party split occured. So the change in games could have had some impact, but imo the party games were softer than the party/skin combined games, initially anyways.

Re: minus 581 bets.
 

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I wasnt gonna say anything in this thread at first because I really didnt wanna get flamed. However, I find it very hard to believe that these 600BB downswings are due simple to varience. It wasnt too long ago that davidross made a similar post & was told by alot of people that it wasnt varience, that he simply wasnt playing good enough. How can you people not even consider questioning your play when you've dropped 600 bets?

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A lot of the people who said that were people who had played David and saw first hand that he was making goofy plays, plays that he later defended as standard. My recollection of those threads was that he was pretty clearly not playing good poker.

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i was just wondering if the some of the effects of the graph were a function of the BB y axis scale. ie if you started playing 30 60 and those BBs were worth more than the 20 40 bbs so it was off in that sense.

maybe youre playing carelessly? i never read the limit forums so i dont know anything about your game, but that did happen to me a while ago. i had been on a nice 35K stretch and just mailed it in for 20K hands, I was sort of logging on and expecting to win without really having to do much. this doesnt work.

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Rigged. It doesn't really help that the 50 and 100 aren't really that good of games that often.

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Unless you're DERB.

He seems to have no problem crushing them, regardless of the lineup. I think he was up about 50-60k in the 50/100 the first week after the split - and it's not like he plays marathon sessions, that was only around 10k hands for that week.

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The vertical axis counts number of BBs lost. So each time you lose a BB at whatever limit the vertical coordinate drops by one.

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I wasnt gonna say anything in this thread at first because I really didnt wanna get flamed. However, I find it very hard to believe that these 600BB downswings are due simple to varience. It wasnt too long ago that davidross made a similar post & was told by alot of people that it wasnt varience, that he simply wasnt playing good enough. How can you people not even consider questioning your play when you've dropped 600 bets?

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consider yourself flamed.

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I wasnt gonna say anything in this thread at first because I really didnt wanna get flamed. However, I find it very hard to believe that these 600BB downswings are due simple to varience. It wasnt too long ago that davidross made a similar post & was told by alot of people that it wasnt varience, that he simply wasnt playing good enough. How can you people not even consider questioning your play when you've dropped 600 bets?

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consider yourself flamed.

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NLSoldier himself said basically the same thing in pokerbob's 300 bb club thread, and it looks like he's agreeing with it here. flaming is unnecessary IMHO.

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Rigged. It doesn't really help that the 50 and 100 aren't really that good of games that often.

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Unless you're DERB.

He seems to have no problem crushing them, regardless of the lineup. I think he was up about 50-60k in the 50/100 the first week after the split - and it's not like he plays marathon sessions, that was only around 10k hands for that week.

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you think down 581 bets playing on party is bad? man check this [censored] out, i am down 732 bets playing on dates that are a multiple of 5. i lost 16k on october 15th and 24k on september 5th. sick!!!!

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you think down 581 bets playing on party is bad? man check this [censored] out, i am down 732 bets playing on dates that are a multiple of 5. i lost 16k on october 15th and 24k on september 5th. sick!!!!

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ooooh, amazing! I will definitely avoid playing on 11/5. Thanks for the warning.

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I hate you guys. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Alright it's official, I'm a complete 'tard for being upset about being on a -55BB downswing from last night at .5/1.

possible cure for 2nd guessing??
 

over my first 36k hands 6 tabling 5-10 i won 17k, over my last 11k hands ive lost 9k. before i change my game i would like to know if im just running bad, it seems ther should be some info on statandard win rates for certain hands (aa,kk,jj,aks, etc.) and frequency and win rates from hands in the misc tab on poker tracker (2 pair, set, straight, etc.)

im interested due to the fact that over the last 10k hands i have gotten jj,qq & aks 130 times collectively and am losing money with that group which is impossible no matter how bad you play. i think some baseline numbers here would help us all sleep better at night and not tinker so much in down swings.

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i have gotten jj,qq & aks 130 times collectively and am losing money with that group which is impossible

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It is??
I think you have just proven that it is very possible.


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i think some baseline numbers here would help us all sleep better at night

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I sleep quite nicely already, thanks.

listen, microbich...
 

its impossible that -.30bb/100 is the basline rate for these hands.

furthermore, i dont give a fuq about spelling english is my 4th language how many do you speak bich? also, my MENSA member # is 55126 and my latest iq was 175 on the WAIS III admistered at ucla school of medicine. you dont even exist to me. you cant even understand the significance of what im getting at here

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its impossible that -.30bb/100 is the basline rate for these hands.

furthermore, i dont give a fuq about spelling english is my 4th language how many do you speak bich? also, my MENSA member # is 55126 and my latest iq was 175 on the WAIS III admistered at ucla school of medicine. you dont even exist to me. you cant even understand the significance of what im getting at here

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Awesome post.

Re: possible cure for 2nd guessing??
 

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over my first 36k hands 6 tabling 5-10 i won 17k, over my last 11k hands ive lost 9k. before i change my game i would like to know if im just running bad, it seems ther should be some info on statandard win rates for certain hands (aa,kk,jj,aks, etc.) and frequency and win rates from hands in the misc tab on poker tracker (2 pair, set, straight, etc.)

im interested due to the fact that over the last 10k hands i have gotten jj,qq & aks 130 times collectively and am losing money with that group which is impossible no matter how bad you play. i think some baseline numbers here would help us all sleep better at night and not tinker so much in down swings.

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I imagine it's probably the combination of very bad run and bad play. It's statistically possible you're still beating the game, but it's pretty unlikely. I advise you to move down and/or play fewer tables. Maybe get the Joe Tall service or something.

where do you donk\'s come from??
 

i never said i was beating the game or even playing well. im asking about baseline frequency and win rates for generic holdingd such as, top pair, 2 pair, set etc...

Re: listen, microbich...
 

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its impossible that -.30bb/100 is the basline rate for these hands.

furthermore, i dont give a fuq about spelling english is my 4th language how many do you speak bich? also, my MENSA member # is 55126 and my latest iq was 175 on the WAIS III admistered at ucla school of medicine. you dont even exist to me. you cant even understand the significance of what im getting at here

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Sounds like you're going to be a great doctor. I'll bet all your patients ask you what your MENSA number is, that's how they know you're God's gift to them as a healer. Oh, and introduce yourself as Dr. Prop, IQ 175. It goes over well.

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When I went thru a ~500 BB downswing a couple months ago it was the first time I had ever heard of a solid player come even close to that at games <1/2. Since then 3 more of us have and you've all broken my record. Weird?

GoT

Re: listen, microbich...
 

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its impossible that -.30bb/100 is the basline rate for these hands.

furthermore, i dont give a fuq about spelling english is my 4th language how many do you speak bich? also, my MENSA member # is 55126 and my latest iq was 175 on the WAIS III admistered at ucla school of medicine. you dont even exist to me. you cant even understand the significance of what im getting at here

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Wow, and you're schizo, too? What a catch!

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what limits was your swing at?

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so you're up overall? you're up 500+ bets? umm..

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Yes. So you could say this really is all pretty stupid. It's just kinda crazy how much I'm down on one site. People talk about such huge swings beeing next to impossible...well...I pretty much proved they're not eh?

but still I've lost the last 7 of 8 days overall. Blegh. Getting a little annoying.

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Yeah, it can get annoying when weird stuff like this happens. When I first moved up to 10/20 I hit a pretty big downswing... but it was some 10/20 and some 5/10 over the course of 30kish hands.

If you look at the 30k hands as a whole, lots of ups and downs but nothing crazy. When you filter it by limit all the 10/20 hands were downswings and the 5/10 hands were upswings, which leaves me with this insane looking -400 BB slide at 10/20. It can kinda mess with your mind after awhile, if I'd played 10/20 on 5/10 days and vice-versa it would have been a pretty nice run...but of course that is flawed thinking.

Surf

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i never said i was beating the game or even playing well. im asking about baseline frequency and win rates for generic holdingd such as, top pair, 2 pair, set etc...

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i think you can easily be overall loser w JJ,QQ,AKs if you disregard your opponents hands

Re: listen, microbich...
 

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its impossible that -.30bb/100 is the basline rate for these hands.

furthermore, i dont give a fuq about spelling english is my 4th language how many do you speak bich? also, my MENSA member # is 55126 and my latest iq was 175 on the WAIS III admistered at ucla school of medicine. you dont even exist to me. you cant even understand the significance of what im getting at here

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Sounds like you're going to be a great doctor. I'll bet all your patients ask you what your MENSA number is, that's how they know you're God's gift to them as a healer. Oh, and introduce yourself as Dr. Prop, IQ 175. It goes over well.

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My brother has a high MENSA #...he is a marginally employed idiot dumb enough to send MENSA a membership fee.

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When I went thru a ~500 BB downswing a couple months ago it was the first time I had ever heard of a solid player come even close to that at games <1/2. Since then 3 more of us have and you've all broken my record. Weird?

GoT

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Party is rigged? But seriously, yeah that's weird.

Re: listen, microbich...
 

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its impossible that -.30bb/100 is the basline rate for these hands.

furthermore, i dont give a fuq about spelling english is my 4th language how many do you speak bich? also, my MENSA member # is 55126 and my latest iq was 175 on the WAIS III admistered at ucla school of medicine. you dont even exist to me. you cant even understand the significance of what im getting at here

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It's too bad you're that smart and yet you can't suceed at poker. That must suck huh? Seriously, try to conduct yourself a little better here, no gives a [censored] about you IQ or how small your [censored] is.

Re: listen, microbich...
 

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its impossible that -.30bb/100 is the basline rate for these hands.

furthermore, i dont give a fuq about spelling english is my 4th language how many do you speak bich? also, my MENSA member # is 55126 and my latest iq was 175 on the WAIS III admistered at ucla school of medicine. you dont even exist to me. you cant even understand the significance of what im getting at here

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MENSA is to the marginally smart what Hummers are to the marginally wealthy.

Re: listen, microbich...
 

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its impossible that -.30bb/100 is the basline rate for these hands.

furthermore, i dont give a fuq about spelling english is my 4th language how many do you speak bich? also, my MENSA member # is 55126 and my latest iq was 175 on the WAIS III admistered at ucla school of medicine. you dont even exist to me. you cant even understand the significance of what im getting at here

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MENSA is to the marginally smart what Hummers are to the marginally wealthy.

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