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there will be no misery... houston will be just as proud if we dont end up winning it, as long as we really give em a run for the money...

I guess you'd have to be a houstonian to understand.

oh and by the way, we'll split it in chi, and take it down in six.

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oh and by the way, we'll split it in chi, and take it down in six.

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Word. People are really underestimating this Astros team. Just ask the Cardinals.

GO ASTROS!!!!!!!!!

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oh and by the way, we'll split it in chi, and take it down in six.

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Word. People are really underestimating this Astros team. Just ask the Cardinals.

GO ASTROS!!!!!!!!!

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You can say lots of things about the series, but you sure can't say the Cardinals or their fans underestimated the Stros. I don't know where you got that from, but I assure you it's a bad source.

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ehhhh, there was alot of fluke talk after game 2. I think it was after game 3 that people kinda perked their heads up.

I dont mean the organization, I mean the audience at large.

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ehhhh, there was alot of fluke talk after game 2. I think it was after game 3 that people kinda perked their heads up.

I dont mean the organization, I mean the audience at large.

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Talk by who? ESPN has been all over them from Day 1, so I know you don't mean the media.

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I just don't understand how just about everyone in the media is picking the White Sox to win. The Astros just dominated a series against what was generally regarded to be the best team in baseball. And now we're supposed to be underdogs to the White Sox?

The Cardinals scared me more than the White Sox do.

This year the title comes back to the NL.

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I just don't understand how just about everyone in the media is picking the White Sox to win. The Astros just dominated a series against what was generally regarded to be the best team in baseball. And now we're supposed to be underdogs to the White Sox?

The Cardinals scared me more than the White Sox do.

This year the title comes back to the NL.

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If the Astros "dominated", what did the White Sox do?

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I just don't understand how just about everyone in the media is picking the White Sox to win. The Astros just dominated a series against what was generally regarded to be the best team in baseball. And now we're supposed to be underdogs to the White Sox?

The Cardinals scared me more than the White Sox do.

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Your "bring it back to the NL" talk will not sway me into moving the Stros out of the #3 spot on the list. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

I think the thinking goes like this: The Cards played like dogshit while the Sox are playing their best ball. Unlike TLR who has his player so wound up they can't see straight, Ozzie will have his boys loose and ready to go. I dunno, looks like a very slight Sox edge to me, which is about where the betting line is at.

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if I had to lose it to anyone, it would be ozzie guillen... amazing dude.

yes, his players are going to be loose and relaxed. I would agree that in tangible stats, there is a slight advantage to the sox given their advantage in the middle of the batting lineup (although Ensburg showed some life tonight... finally). But again I say, show me an argument that paints the Sox as more mentally tough. It just isn't there.

That toughness got us past the Cards... let's see what we can do against the Sox.

Personally Im just amped for a great series.

Oh, and to the poster above, no I didn't mean the media, I meant the general tone of the talk I heard, posts I saw on another sports board Im on.

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But again I say, show me an argument that paints the Sox as more mentally tough. It just isn't there.

That toughness got us past the Cards... let's see what we can do against the Sox.


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Dude.. wtf are you talking about?

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talking about the fact that the only reason we made it as far as we have is that we're mentally tough. extremely mentally tough.

and that I can't see the Sox being as scrappy as we are.

wtf are YOU talking about?

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I just don't understand how just about everyone in the media is picking the White Sox to win.

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ESPN predictions:

Gammons S 4-3
Neyer S 4-3
Crasnick A 4-3
Gillette S 4-2
Caple A 4-2

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you forgot the most important ones:

El D: A 4-2
Behemoth: A 4-2

Clarkmeister: C playing golf.

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Reynolds: Sox 4-2
Krux:Sox 4-2

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talking about the fact that the only reason we made it as far as we have is that we're mentally tough. extremely mentally tough.

and that I can't see the Sox being as scrappy as we are.

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I don't know - giving up a 15 game lead in the last month of the season and then dominating the last couple weeks and the playoffs to silence all critics shows some mental "toughness" as well.

BTW - I think mental toughness is overrated and shouldn't change betting lines... I made a crapload of money because the line was against oswalt last night. I assume this was because of the public bias on "momentum" that st. louis had because of the pujols homerun and the comeback last year. "momentum" my a**...

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oh and by the way, we'll split it in chi, and take it down in six.

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Word. People are really underestimating this Astros team. Just ask the Cardinals.

GO ASTROS!!!!!!!!!

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If you've spent any time on these boards, or watched a broadcast on the Eastern Seaboard Programming Network, you'd know the most underestimated and disrespected team in baseball was the White Sox.

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talking about the fact that the only reason we made it as far as we have is that we're mentally tough. extremely mentally tough.

and that I can't see the Sox being as scrappy as we are.

wtf are YOU talking about?

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Have you had the opportunity to watch a Sox game this year?

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I just don't understand how just about everyone in the media is picking the White Sox to win.

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ESPN predictions:

Gammons S 4-3
Neyer S 4-3
Crasnick A 4-3
Gillette S 4-2
Caple A 4-2

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FWIW, I think it's been pretty clearly established in the postseason that the media "experts" predictions should be totally disregarded.

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I think that it will be a great series, but Im not sure you can make a case for the Sox being more mentally tough than we are.

anyone wanna try?

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Oh yeah? Why don't you work on compiling the Astros SAT scores, and I'll work on the White Sox.

Dude, your mental toughness B.S. has been argued against successfully every time you've brought it up on this thread, and it was also pointed out that it most likely doesn't mean squat.

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I can't see the Sox being as scrappy as we are

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One run games:

White Sox 39-15
Astros 25-21

The White Sox "invent" ways to win.

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Go Astros!

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The White Sox haven't won a World Series since 1917, and the Astros have never been to a Series in their 44 years of existence. I think that since the Stros have never had the chance to lose a Series, Sox winning 4-2 would be a fitting end. Then everybody gets what they want. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I think something should be said for a team that can bounce back after a devestating lost to completly dominate the next game. That is mentally tough. I think the Angels where a clear example of what can happen to team when they get their spirts crushed, the collapsed after that Game 2 lose.

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I think something should be said for a team that can bounce back after a devestating lost to completly dominate the next game. That is mentally tough. I think the Angels where a clear example of what can happen to team when they get their spirts crushed, the collapsed after that Game 2 lose.

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Too much credit is being given to the Angels collapsing when it should be the White Sox dominating. That's fine. That's the way we like it.

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Not trying to take anything away from the Sox, they played great, but to lose three straight at home for pretty much any playoff team is a collapse.

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Go Sox....

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talking about the fact that the only reason we made it as far as we have is that we're mentally tough. extremely mentally tough.

and that I can't see the Sox being as scrappy as we are.

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I don't know - giving up a 15 game lead in the last month of the season and then dominating the last couple weeks and the playoffs to silence all critics shows some mental "toughness" as well.

BTW - I think mental toughness is overrated and shouldn't change betting lines... I made a crapload of money because the line was against oswalt last night. I assume this was because of the public bias on "momentum" that st. louis had because of the pujols homerun and the comeback last year. "momentum" my a**...

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You only *think* you are making money due to public bias on momentum. The line for Game 6 was identical to the same pitching matchup in Game 2.

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You only *think* you are making money due to public bias on momentum. The line for Game 6 was identical to the same pitching matchup in Game 2.

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You're pretty much correct on this, although I think in game 2 I saw Astros +138 as the best # available, and in this one I saw +142 and I think +145 may have been available too.

Also keep in mind that Oswalt pitched dominantly in game 2 and the Astros won. You'd think that the line should shift more in Oswalt's direction but instead it went the opposite way. Tons of value on the Astros last night, nice job to all who got money down.

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Based on this 5 year trend, the Astros are bound to win the world series

2000 Yankees
2001 Diamondbacks
2002 Angels
2003 Marlins
2004 Red Sox
2005 Astros

I dont even know why they're bothering to play the series.

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Based on this 5 year trend, the Astros are bound to win the world series

2000 Yankees
2001 Diamondbacks
2002 Angels
2003 Marlins
2004 Red Sox
2005 Astros

I dont even know why they're bothering to play the series.

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AL/NL alternating?

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Based on this 5 year trend, the Astros are bound to win the world series

2000 Yankees
2001 Diamondbacks
2002 Angels
2003 Marlins
2004 Red Sox
2005 Astros

I dont even know why they're bothering to play the series.

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AL/NL alternating?

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Wild Cards?

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Based on this 5 year trend, the Astros are bound to win the world series

2000 Yankees
2001 Diamondbacks
2002 Angels
2003 Marlins
2004 Red Sox
2005 Astros

I dont even know why they're bothering to play the series.

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AL/NL alternating?

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Wild Cards?

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The 2000 Yankees weren't wild card.

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Based on this 5 year trend, the Astros are bound to win the world series

2000 Yankees
2001 Diamondbacks
2002 Angels
2003 Marlins
2004 Red Sox
2005 Astros

I dont even know why they're bothering to play the series.

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AL/NL alternating?

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of course, game over, congrats houston.

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The NL has never had a winning record against the AL in the World Series in any decade. The Astros winning would at least give the NL a shot.

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Is this going to be the official world series thread, or are we starting a clean on Saturday? I don't care either way -- just want to get the logistics in order.

Go White Sox!!!

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This is it. The Diablo deserves it.

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I agree with this. The legend grows, I suppose.

Congrats to Astros fans though. Your team played a good series, and I guess whoever wins at this point will provide a good story.

White Sox in 6.

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You're pretty much correct on this, although I think in game 2 I saw Astros +138 as the best # available, and in this one I saw +142 and I think +145 may have been available too.

Also keep in mind that Oswalt pitched dominantly in game 2 and the Astros won. You'd think that the line should shift more in Oswalt's direction but instead it went the opposite way. Tons of value on the Astros last night, nice job to all who got money down.


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yeah, I got +148 which means that the line thought st. louis had a 59.6% chance of beating Oswalt. Huge value there. I've been doing this all playoffs and it's worked to perfection this year - I got great odds against new york, boston, and st. louis for all the different levels (DS, CS, WS) and certain game matchups like last night. Nothing like betting against st. louis to win the pennant at 50% BEFORE the playoffs started...

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I think that it will be a great series, but Im not sure you can make a case for the Sox being more mentally tough than we are.

anyone wanna try?

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Oh yeah? Why don't you work on compiling the Astros SAT scores, and I'll work on the White Sox.

Dude, your mental toughness B.S. has been argued against successfully every time you've brought it up on this thread, and it was also pointed out that it most likely doesn't mean squat.

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ummm, actually you're the first one to say anything to it.

umm, see, here's the thing, I play college basketball. I also take 18 hours of classes, and play poker for a living.

so no, I haven't watched chicago. no, I haven't lookerd up their stats. if you read my entire post, you would see that I have nothing but respect for ozzie guillen... amazing manager, should go down in history for what he's done.

I really really, just wanted to know what chi fans thought.

and by the way, if you dont think mental toughness exists,
it's most likely because you're an armchair coach, who hasn't played in any level of competition higher than a parking lot game of grabass.

That having been said, with the information yall are showing me, Im gonna send this to game seven, but still think my stros will take it down, because Im biased... but god are these teams similar.

bu the way... if you're going to disparage what I say... try to do it in a meaningful way... SAT scores? I nkow you were trying to be funny... but thats a stretch

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ummm, actually you're the first one to say anything to it.

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I saw you bring this point up along with the "scrappy" point at least two other times in this thread, with disputes each time.

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umm, see, here's the thing, I play college basketball. I also take 18 hours of classes, and play poker for a living.

so no, I haven't watched chicago. no, I haven't lookerd up their stats. if you read my entire post, you would see that I have nothing but respect for ozzie guillen... amazing manager, should go down in history for what he's done.

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Before making statements such as this, it would behoove you to know what you're talking about. Making comparisons without basis makes one seem unintelligent.

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and by the way, if you dont think mental toughness exists, it's most likely because you're an armchair coach, who hasn't played in any level of competition higher than a parking lot game of grabass.

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If you think that playing sports at any level is the epitomy of mental toughness, then you're in for a rude awakening once you get finished with the amusement park you're going though now. Playing college ball and taking 18 hours of classes doesn't make one mentally tough -- and playing poker for a living doesn't magnify that. Let me know how you do once you get through with school and you have to go to work for a living. I won't even begin to tell you what I go through on a daily/weekly basis, but suffice to say, it would blow your mind.

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bu the way... if you're going to disparage what I say... try to do it in a meaningful way... SAT scores? I nkow you were trying to be funny... but thats a stretch

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I thought it was pretty funny... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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You're totally misunderstanding me. this is a sporting event forum, no? Then why are you discussing mental toughness in the capacity of "real life"?

I did not say that my life is hard. It's easy, and fun. I did not say that college + sports + poker makes me mentally tough.

I said this: Within the sports realm, mental toughness plays a huge part. I have seen the Astros exhibit that time and time again. And that type of toughness is neither emulated by, nor comparable to situations in real life, which is something an armchair quarterback wouldn't understand.

And no, it wouldn't blow my mind. I took two years off before college, and I worked full time, paid bills, and lived on my own. Why is it that every "adult" feels so superior to college students?

and yeah, I guess the SAT thing was clever.

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You're totally misunderstanding me. this is a sporting event forum, no? Then why are you discussing mental toughness in the capacity of "real life"?

I did not say that my life is hard. It's easy, and fun. I did not say that college + sports + poker makes me mentally tough.

I said this: Within the sports realm, mental toughness plays a huge part. I have seen the Astros exhibit that time and time again. And that type of toughness is neither emulated by, nor comparable to situations in real life, which is something an armchair quarterback wouldn't understand.

And no, it wouldn't blow my mind. I took two years off before college, and I worked full time, paid bills, and lived on my own. Why is it that every "adult" feels so superior to college students?

and yeah, I guess the SAT thing was clever.

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I'm basiing my superiority over you on spelling and punctuation. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I'm not going to get into the "mental toughness" real life vs. sports argument, or the "adults" vs. college kids thing for risk of turning this into an OOT thread. Suffice to say, if your two year sabbatical to work and pay bills is your basis of comparison, then yes I'm even more convinced that it would blow your mind.

Let's just leave it at this. The Astros and the White Sox are both "mentally tough", which is I'm guessing how they made it this far.

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I agree completely with you about both teams being mentally tough, I just wanted to hear from the fans of the other side, as I didn't know much about the team.

As for my spelling and punctuation, I guess I didn't realize that such things would be so closely policed on an internet forum.

I suppose that instead of finding errors in your previous posts, which I'm sure exist, I'll just remember that I got a 1540 on my SAT (mental toughness, mmmmm) and remember that grammar nazi's like you will try to dodge questions by pointing out small grammatical errors.

Good Game, and sieg heil.