Re: Running the board... Ahhhh?
 

Did you see how terrible Kenna looked during that hand? He looked like he didn't want to even be seen. I think I would have called him there, and I'm tight-weak.

Re: \"Official\" Live at the Bike thread (9/16)
 

I think it's BarryW or something like that.

Barry v Kenna would be a great time to break out the "Play of the Day" on the thebike.com website to help draw people into getting archives/live show.

Re: Running the board... Ahhhh?
 

I deleted that "not thinking ahead" post. Kenna got the 5K call when he was way ahead. It's hard to fault that.

Re: \"Official\" Live at the Bike thread (9/16)
 

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I think it's BarryW or something like that.

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I thought it was "Barry Not Greenstein"

Re: \"Official\" Live at the Bike thread (9/16)
 

did the show end early? I see the promo video now. Here on the east coast it usually ends at 1am.

edit: never mind i forgot we have the new line up

Re: \"Official\" Live at the Bike thread (9/16)
 

Wow! What a freak'in night...I hope it was as enjoyable to watch as it was to talk about.

the bluffs...the calls, what can you say?!?

As for the big hand - the action went like this:

Barry raised it to $120 with J/J. Kenna was the only caller with 7/6 off suit.

the flop comes 10-7-6(two spades). Kenna checked. Barry bet $250. Kenna check-raised to $800. Barry raised him another $1000. Kenna called.
The turn brought the king of diamonds. Kenna checked - Barry bet $1500.
Kenna check-raised to $5000. He tossed in a $5000 chip like it was a peanut.

Barry thought about it for a moment and called.

The river brought the 10 of hearts.

Kenna immediately moved all-in for another $5000. Barry thought about it for a while - he only had another $3800 and the pot was almost $20,000. He called.

His two pair... jacks and tens won a $23,500 pot over Kenna's two pair(7's and 6's)...Wow?!?

What a night!

Can somebody talk about this hand in the high no-limit forum?

Thanks for watching! See ya on monday.

Re: \"Official\" Live at the Bike thread (9/16)
 

Mo explained is call with pocket aces to me.

The board read 8-9-10-jack and Ed bet $1500. Mo thought about it and then called.

He told me he called because he knew Ed would run the river more than once. So Mo figured that Ed either is bluffing or maybe he's got two pair. If he had two pair, Mo had eight outs. Now running it once is suicide - but he figured the pot is about $5500. Call $1500...if Ed has two pair, then Mo only has to win the hand once(if they run it three times) to make $1800 - obviously a profitable venture. And if by chance Ed was bluffing, Mo could win the entire pot.

Hope my babble makes sense. thanks for watching - feel free to send me a private message with any questions, advice, or anything....

Re: \"Official\" Live at the Bike thread (9/16)
 

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He told me he called because he knew Ed would run the river more than once.

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That is ridiculous. He really said that? Well, Mo's stock just went way down in my book. It is dumbfounding to think Mo doesn't know running it multiple times does not change your EV one iota.

He didn't quite have the odds to call if he KNEW the guy was on two pair. The only possible justification for the call has to take into consideration a strong possibility that the guy was bluffing.

Re: \"Official\" Live at the Bike thread (9/16)
 

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Kenna immediately moved all-in for another $5000. Barry thought about it for a while - he only had another $3800 and the pot was almost $20,000. He called.

His two pair... jacks and tens won a $23,500 pot over Kenna's two pair(7's and 6's)...Wow?!?



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Kenna wound up with jacks and sevens, not that it matters.

Re: \"Official\" Live at the Bike thread (9/16)
 

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Kenna immediately moved all-in for another $5000. Barry thought about it for a while - he only had another $3800 and the pot was almost $20,000. He called.

His two pair... jacks and tens won a $23,500 pot over Kenna's two pair(7's and 6's)...Wow?!?



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Kenna wound up with jacks and sevens, not that it matters.

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If you are going to correct a statement that's not even worth correcting, please do it...um, correctly? Yeah, thanks.

10s and 7s.

Re: \"Official\" Live at the Bike thread (9/16)
 

hmmm, two thoughts...

first off - I'm not sure I explained it well, but here goes.

If there is $2800 dead money in the pot and you're faced with an all-in bet of $1300 on the river, you have a few options. One obviously is fold and lose the money already inveested. But if you know the player is going to "run" the river more than once, you can call because of the dead money in the middle. Think about it...Mo calls with his aces knowing Ed will run the river three times. If Ed is bluffing great, then MO is ahead. If Ed has two pair...then Mo has 8 outs. If you run it three times, the odds are that Mo will probably hit one of those outs once. Yes, each turn and river has the same odds...but do it three times, see what happens. Anyway, if Mo wins just one of those three times, he'll get 1/3 of the entire pot - not just the last $1300 in there, but also the $2800 that's already dead in the middle. So Mo is risking $1300...but in most circumstances, he'll win at least $1800 (1/3rd of the pot).

Get it?

Flip a coin - heads or tails right? But, what are the odds of hitting 10 heads in a row? Think of it that way.


As for Barry Woods, I spoke to him. He gave me a long explanation of the night's hands - hopefully he'll post something. If not, I'll talk about it next week.

Have a good weekend everyone...

Questions on my \"donkey\" play on L@TB Friday
 

I will be out of town until Tuesday afternoon. If anyone wants a pseudo explanation (read not defense) of some of my play on Friday, especially against Kenna, please post your questions here. I will try to explain the best I can as to why I did what I did, and some of my thoughts. In the alternative, Dave, Mo and I sat and discussed some of the moves, and Dave, being more articulate than I (and better memory), will be happy to give some insights into the inner thoughts of a donkey.

I appreciate your thoughts and musings.

Barry K. Woods (not Greenstein) [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Re: \"Official\" Live at the Bike thread (9/16)
 

Kevmath, sounds like a savage episode - is this "one of those episodes" that you seek out from the archives when it's up...?

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

Re: \"Official\" Live at the Bike thread (9/16)
 

This is definitely a show to watch from the archives, although you may want to go to around the 2:20 mark where Kenna v Barry takes place. The rest of the show is the usual Friday night fare, but that was the best hand on L@TB.

Re: \"Official\" Live at the Bike thread (9/16)
 

So the game is always that loose? I was pretty amazed at a couple of the players.

Re: \"Official\" Live at the Bike thread (9/16)
 

At times it is, especially if Jesus, Diablo, and Ed are in the game.

Re: \"Official\" Live at the Bike thread (9/16)
 

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Flip a coin - heads or tails right? But, what are the odds of hitting 10 heads in a row? Think of it that way.


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The chance of hitting 10 heads in a row is 1/1024. That has nothing to do with the question of why Mo called that bet.

Running it multiple times does not change your EV at all. There's nothing more to be said. People devise all sorts on intricate arguments for roulette systems - Martingales and whatnot. You can try to understand and poke holes in the arguments, or you can simply point out that varying your bet size does not change your EV at all.

Running it multiple times does not change your EV. If it was wrong to call, it was wrong to call, regardless of how many times you are going to run it.

P.s.

I don't appreciate being asked, "Get it?" I get a whole heck of a lot more than you give me credit for.