Re: Santori out
 

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Thats The Mouths 5th penalty, following the TDA guidelines shouldn't he have been DQed?


RZ

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Penalties available for use by the TD are verbal warnings, 10, 20, 30, and 40 minutes away from the table and may be used with discretion. These may be utilized up to and including disqualification. A player who is disqualified shall have his chips removed from play.

He has already done the 40 minutes and they moved him back down to 10? Hmmm

Re: Santori out
 

>>Is H-DOG busted yet or is she still thinking about posting her BB?<<

She won't be able to play until Subway delivers her foot-long tuna sammich.

Kanter doubles thru Raymer
 

Kanter is all-in with Qh Jh on a 6c 3h 3d 7h board. Raymer calls and shows Kh Kd. The river is the 2h, and Kanter doubles up with a flush.

Any young players still around?
 

I just looked through yesterday's pictures on Card Player and don't see anybody who appears to be under 30. Is Phil Ivey the youngest player left in the tourney?

Re: Any young players still around?
 

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Hand 20 - Ayhan Alsancak has the button in seat 5, Raymer raises, and Kanter calls. The flop comes 6c-5d-3h, and there's a bet and a call. The turn card is the 7h, Kanter bets $600,000, and the two players are quickly all in. Raymer shows pocket kings (Kd-Kh), and Kanter has Qh-Jh. Kanter has a flush draw, and needs to catch a heart to win the pot. The river card is the 2h, and Kanter makes his flush to double up through Greg Raymer.

Kanter's supporters are ecstatic, and cheering loudly, but the rest of the room is nearly silent as crowd-favorite Greg Raymer loses a huge pot. You can distinctly hear the cheers, but the silence in the rest of the room is almost
overpowering. Aaron Kanter now has somewhere between $3.5 and $4 million, while Greg Raymer is crippled down to about $400,000.

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Not good!

Re: WSOP Day 6: \"Official\" Results, News & Discussion (Part 2)
 

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Re: Any young players still around?
 

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I just looked through yesterday's pictures on Card Player and don't see anybody who appears to be under 30. Is Phil Ivey the youngest player left in the tourney?

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you didn't see the picture of Tim Phan? he looks to be under 20, there was a pix posted on here several times yesterday, he doesn't even look old enough to drive in it.

RZ

Re: WSOP Day 6: \"Official\" Results, News & Discussion (Part 2)
 

Raymer down to $400k on a mildly bad beat. Sucks.

eastbay

Re: Kanter doubles thru Raymer
 

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Kanter is all-in with Qh Jh on a 6c 3h 3d 7h board. Raymer calls and shows Kh Kd. The river is the 2h, and Kanter doubles up with a flush.

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All the running good from last year is finally catching up. That sucks.

Re: WSOP Day 6: \"Official\" Results, News & Discussion (Part 2)
 

NOOOOOO! Fossilman has to bust H-DOG first, then go out, damn it to hell. Every good player that goes out luckbox's chances go up.

Raymer Crippled
 

What a joke, could that fish Kanter have played this any worse? Is this a 10+1 or the WSOP ME? Questionable call PF, idiotic call on the flop.

Hand 20 - Ayhan Alsancak has the button in seat 5, Raymer raises, and Kanter calls. The flop comes 6c-5d-3h, and there's a bet and a call. The turn card is the 7h, Kanter bets $600,000, and the two players are quickly all in. Raymer shows pocket kings (Kd-Kh), and Kanter has Qh-Jh. Kanter has a flush draw, and needs to catch a heart to win the pot. The river card is the 2h, and Kanter makes his flush to double up through Greg Raymer.

Kanter's supporters are ecstatic, and cheering loudly, but the rest of the room is nearly silent as crowd-favorite Greg Raymer loses a huge pot. You can distinctly hear the cheers, but the silence in the rest of the room is almost
overpowering. Aaron Kanter now has somewhere between $3.5 and $4 million, while Greg Raymer is crippled down to about $400,000.

Re: Kanter doubles thru Raymer
 

Blinds about to go up to 25/50/5, Greg will have to catch some cards soon.

Re: Kanter doubles thru Raymer
 

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Kanter is all-in with Qh Jh on a 6c 3h 3d 7h board. Raymer calls and shows Kh Kd. The river is the 2h, and Kanter doubles up with a flush.

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Man this brings back horrible memories of a hand I busted out in 3rd place with a while back...same thing. I Had KK, opponent had QJ suited...made the flush on me. Yeouch.

Lawrenc

Re: WSOP Day 6: \"Official\" Results, News & Discussion (Part 2)
 

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Raymer down to $400k on a mildly bad beat. Sucks.

eastbay

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Better than 4:1 favourite. I'd say "mildly" is putting it mildly. Sad business.

Re: Raymer Crippled
 

[img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].. Looks like the end of the road for Raymer.. What a bunch of bullshit...

Re: Raymer Crippled
 

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Looks like the end of the road for Raymer.. What a bunch of bullshit...

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Bullshit? LOL, how can this be BS? Thousands of other players endured suckouts like this throughout the whole WSOP, but the fact that Raymer finally got his is BS?

Lawrence

Re: WSOP Day 6: \"Official\" Results, News & Discussion (Part 2)
 

Calling off all your chips with a flush draw in the WSOP in the top 25 against the defending champion = +EV

Re: Kanter doubles thru Raymer
 

This is ridiculous. Weak call PF, coldcalling a raise with QJ, then calls on the flop with what? A backdoor flush draw and 2 overs that can't even be considered as full outs? What a joke! Kanter belongs in a Party 10+1 chasing weak ass draws.

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Doh !

Re: WSOP Day 6: \"Official\" Results, News & Discussion (Part 2)
 

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Better than 4:1 favourite. I'd say "mildly" is putting it mildly. Sad business.

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Keep in mind that in addition to the 8 outs to win, there were 3 outs to split. It wasn't that horrendous a beat.

Re: Raymer Crippled
 

I guess this means H-DOG > Raymer? I mean she has more chips right? ***

(This post is dedicated to all those H-DOG defenders who's argument defending her is "How far have YOU made it in the WSOP ME???").

Re: Any young players still around?
 

Here

Brad Kondracki's like 23

Re: Raymer Crippled
 

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Aaron Kanter now has somewhere between $3.5 and $4 million, while Greg Raymer is crippled down to about $400,000.

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I wouldn't believe this quite yet. Last count had Kanter at 1.9M, Raymer at 3.8M. Raymer would have had to be down to 2.3M before the hand for this to be right. They've screwed up chip counts before, maybe he's down to 1.4M.

Re: Raymer Crippled
 

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Looks like the end of the road for Raymer.. What a bunch of bullshit...

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Bullshit? LOL, how can this be BS? Thousands of other players endured suckouts like this throughout the whole WSOP, but the fact that Raymer finally got his is BS?

Lawrence

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Yes, there have been thousands of suckouts, but this one just sucks. You're down to 25 players, this guy calls a raise cold PF with QJ, then calls a bet on the flop with a backdoor flush. Would you be putting your whole tournament at stake with queen high?

Re: Raymer Crippled
 

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Aaron Kanter now has somewhere between $3.5 and $4 million, while Greg Raymer is crippled down to about $400,000.

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I wouldn't believe this quite yet. Last count had Kanter at 1.9M, Raymer at 3.8M. Raymer would have had to be down to 2.3M before the hand for this to be right. They've screwed up chip counts before, maybe he's down to 1.4M.

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A voice of reason in a weary world?

Re: Raymer Crippled
 

Oh, God. You guys act as if Greg always has a made hand whenever he gets his money in.

How many all-in hands was he behind in this year and last year that he won?

You take two or three of those last year and put Greg on the losing side of those and no one would even be talking about him right now.

Re: Raymer Crippled
 

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I wouldn't believe this quite yet. Last count had Kanter at 1.9M, Raymer at 3.8M. Raymer would have had to be down to 2.3M before the hand for this to be right. They've screwed up chip counts before, maybe he's down to 1.4M.

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Raymer had just come off of two or three hands where he put substantial money in and then folded to action over the top. It's very believable.

Re: Raymer Crippled
 

That's poker.

Re: Raymer Crippled
 

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Aaron Kanter now has somewhere between $3.5 and $4 million, while Greg Raymer is crippled down to about $400,000.

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I wouldn't believe this quite yet. Last count had Kanter at 1.9M, Raymer at 3.8M. Raymer would have had to be down to 2.3M before the hand for this to be right. They've screwed up chip counts before, maybe he's down to 1.4M.

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He was losing some pots to re-raises before, and doubled someone up. 400k is probably correct.

Re: Kanter doubles thru Raymer
 

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Weak call PF, coldcalling a raise with QJ, then calls on the flop with what? A backdoor flush draw and 2 overs that can't even be considered as full outs?

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Not sure if it is correct, but according to gutshot, the flop was checked through.

Hope Greg can come back from this.

Re: Kanter doubles thru Raymer
 

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Kanter is all-in with Qh Jh on a 6c 3h 3d 7h board. Raymer calls and shows Kh Kd. The river is the 2h, and Kanter doubles up with a flush.

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Man, just not a good start to Day 6.

Re: Raymer Crippled
 

fossil boy has lost many hands already

Re: Kanter doubles thru Raymer
 

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This is ridiculous. Weak call PF, coldcalling a raise with QJ, then calls on the flop with what? A backdoor flush draw and 2 overs that can't even be considered as full outs? What a joke! Kanter belongs in a Party 10+1 chasing weak ass draws.

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You aren't even on the table, so you have no clue what is going on and how Raymer is truly playing and what he's been doing.

The key thing is the opportunity to bust a marquee player/big stack player. Is it ia donk play? Sure, in the grand scheme of things it's a real donk play. But the present opportunity to do so right now - to real cripple the defending champ/big stack player makes taking this gamble a great gamble IMHO.

You don't win tourneys by nut peddling, you take stupid chances at the wrong time and then having it work for you.

Lawrence

Re: Raymer Crippled
 

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4:50pm... Players are on a break. Raymer said he has $420K. He's not looking good. When action resumes, we'll be on Level 27. The antes are $5K and blinds are $25K and $50K.

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Re: Raymer Crippled
 

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Oh, God. You guys act as if Greg always has a made hand whenever he gets his money in.

How many all-in hands was he behind in this year and last year that he won?

You take two or three of those last year and put Greg on the losing side of those and no one would even be talking about him right now.

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Could you post the hands where Raymer cold-called PF and then called the flop for runner-runner to win?

Re: Raymer Crippled
 

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Oh, God. You guys act as if Greg always has a made hand whenever he gets his money in.

How many all-in hands was he behind in this year and last year that he won?

You take two or three of those last year and put Greg on the losing side of those and no one would even be talking about him right now.

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Could you post the hands where Raymer cold-called PF and then called the flop for runner-runner to win?

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Donkeys alwasy draw.

Re: Raymer Crippled
 

Completely agreed, how many great players in this tournament have busted out on worse beats than this. The guy got all hsi money in with the worst hand but at least had a draw at that point, as opposed to the guys who have busted holding AA vs something like JTo (or worse) which I'm sure happend a few times in this tourney.

Re: Raymer Crippled
 

And from gutshot:

"Raymer down to $420k after bad beat..."

Re: Raymer Crippled
 

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Bullshit? LOL, how can this be BS? Thousands of other players endured suckouts like this throughout the whole WSOP, but the fact that Raymer finally got his is BS?

Lawrence

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Seriously. Be a pro and take it like a man. I'm sure Raymer did. I mean, I feel bad for him too but suckouts like that are the reason the tourney is so soft etc etc etc.

Re: Raymer Crippled
 

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Could you post the hands where Raymer cold-called PF and then called the flop for runner-runner to win?

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Do we know that Raymer bet the flop and not Kanter? Considering that Kanter pushed the turn, if I read it correctly, I think this is plausible. Raymer has already had to fold a couple of hands where he showed postflop aggression. While Greg got unlucky here, it's not clear from the information that we have that Kanter did anything particularly stupid.

EDIT: I've now seen accounts that say Raymer moved in. It obviously makes a big difference whether Kanter was calling or pushing. Or if Kanter raised first and then Raymer pushed over the top, Kanter was almost definitely getting the odds to call at that point.