Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

I think one key to solving this mystery is figuring out how the thief (if it was not the girl) got into your house. Tells us all the possible entry points of your house and whether or not you are sure that they were locked. If all of your doors were definitely locked, then the thief could have still picked a lock, but he would definitely not lock the door as he left. So can you confirm whether all your doors were locked after you discovered the burglary? (I think it is amazing that the police were not asking these questions)

Clearly
 

A trap of some type needs to set up. I wouldn't tell that girl a thing

Re: Important new info
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Im also going to call this chick today and tell her I found out what the burgler was after, and tell her I changed the garage remote. Im also gunna tell her that this has really kinda freaked me out so the guys from ADT are coming out tomorrow to install a security system (this isnt true). Then I think Im gunna tell her im not going out of town (also not true), and then just play phone tag with her while I'm really gone.

[/ QUOTE ]

I would want to know for sure if it was her. I would set her up to get caught in the act:

Put the remote back to the way it was. Take the most valuable stuff out of the garage, and seal the door into the house. Set up cameras and set up a hidden alarm system. etc. When that door opens, whoever is there, and whatever car is there, will be caught on tape, and the (delayed) alarm will go off, forcing them to leave before they could find the cameras or recording device.

[/ QUOTE ]

its a little pricy, ain't it?

Re: Important new info
 

[ QUOTE ]

Im pretty bummed, one cuz I woudlnt ahve suspected her of this, and two, cuz I was really looking forward to some more booty.

[/ QUOTE ]

Just don't hook up with her at your place anymore. Sure, she's f'ed up and trying to rob you, but crazy chicks are better in bed anyways.

Re: Important new info
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I would want to know for sure if it was her. I would set her up to get caught in the act:

Put the remote back to the way it was. Take the most valuable stuff out of the garage, and seal the door into the house. Set up cameras and set up a hidden alarm system. etc. When that door opens, whoever is there, and whatever car is there, will be caught on tape, and the (delayed) alarm will go off, forcing them to leave before they could find the cameras or recording device.

[/ QUOTE ]

its a little pricy, ain't it?

[/ QUOTE ]

Perhaps. My last job was with a company making PC based digital video recorders, so I could probably borrow some cameras and a DVR and do the install myself, then give the stuff back after a couple weeks. There are also ways he could set up his own computer to record video with a cheap webcam type device.

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

[ QUOTE ]
or this chick is FREAKIN CRAZY

[/ QUOTE ]

The simplest explanation is usually correct.

Chick is a nut-job. Attention-seeking headcase. Stop trying to apply logic to her motives. She is loony.

I've only gotten one surprise phone call in my life from a girl who wanted me to come over and [censored] her. I barely knew her at the time, and she turned out to be downright psychotic. No, she never snuck into my house and re-arranged the furniture--but that's probably because we were kids still living with our parents. When I try to imagine her as an adult, though, it's something that I wouldn't put past her.

But yeah, the sex was worth it. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Important new info
 

[ QUOTE ]


Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Alobar, I am not totally convinced that the chick was involved. If she was in cahoots with the burgler, why would she ask to leave early? And if the burglar knew that she was keeping you occuppied, why did he have to make such a hasty exit? Something just doesn't add up to me.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



I dont think she had an acomplice. I think she acted on her own. When she went downstairs to pee, she really just went in my garage and went through stuff. I think there was also a high chance she specifically was looking for my garage door opener.

[/ QUOTE ]

You said she was naked when she went down for the pee. If she is running around messing up stuff in your garage naked that is one crazy ho.

Anyone who came to steal your truck would look for the remote. They would also look for keys, or tools to get the truck running.

Most dogs won't bark even when a stranger comes in if they open a unlocked door. And they don't act afraid of the dog.

I am the first to think a chick is crazy but I think this was done by a really young or stupid random thief. Good chance nothing more will happen. But atleast you know to lock every door in the future. If they were locked you would know if your banging a headcase.

gl and consider switching to fat chicks they never pull this crap but stuff does go missing out of the fridge. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Re: Important new info
 

i really dont buy that the girl was looking through all your stuff and didnt have time to put everything back the way it was. is she an total idiot? anyone with logical sense will close any doors they open and put any lids back where they belong. by doing this, she may not be able to find the remote because she wont have to time to search everywhere, but at least this way you have no idea she was down there. obviously the way she left the scene you are going to change the remote access on your garage and suspect her directly.

some other things to think about:

it makes no sense that she wanted to leave early. she could have woken up in the morning and it would look much more like people came to scope out your place in the middle of the night.

dont you also think that she would try to get out of bed while you were sleeping to clean everything up in your basement? i know that if i was over someones house and was planning on robbing them id be scared shitless that i left the place the way that i did. id definitely come up with some sort of plan to go down there and fix it up.

wasnt the remote in plain site? if she went down there, what is the likelyhood that she would find the remote before going through all your [censored]? probably extremely likely.

shes either the stupidest crook in the world, or your theory is not right.


when first reading the thread, i thought you should setup a camera down there mainly because it was looking like there was a high probability that your place was haunted. that would be crazy to get it all on tape if a ghost went through all your stuff again. however, since the remote is missing i cant see this as a possibility.

Re: Important new info
 

[ QUOTE ]
Most dogs won't bark even when a stranger comes in if they open a unlocked door. And they don't act afraid of the dog.

[/ QUOTE ]

i dont think this is at all correct. if the dog knows you 2 are upstairs by yourself hes going to bark like crazy.

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

You got laid by a hot chick...I read the rest of the story but it didn't matter, do you see why? I'll let other elaborate...

Re: Important new info
 

Just curious did you hear the toilet flush or not? If not she definately was snoopin in the garage.

SGS

Re: Important new info
 

[ QUOTE ]


Quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Most dogs won't bark even when a stranger comes in if they open a unlocked door. And they don't act afraid of the dog.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



i dont think this is at all correct. if the dog knows you 2 are upstairs by yourself hes going to bark like crazy

[/ QUOTE ]

Yah I could be very wrong about the dog. But I find when I look them square in the eye they don't bark. Start off really threatening then after about 20 sec you switch to happy and the dog will run up to greet you. Then you got a pal.

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

Man, first that bar skank stole my check card and used it for $800 on my computer while I was passed out, now this....

what is the world coming to

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

Whoever romped through the garage most likely left a huge fingerprint trail - if you have some buddies in the local PD then maybe they could help match up the ones on the toolshed with the ones on the wall above your headboard, or wherever else they could be in the bedroom, and have a good laugh in the meantime. Hopefully, she didn't help you return everything to normal too much to taint the evidence. If this story is completely true, I would want all the evidence I could get.

I think you were too hasty in giving up any new info to the crazy chick. She or an associate 100% would have returned to make the real robbery - now, not too likely, and it will be hard to bust her. Was she exhibiting any other strange behavior during the night, especially after you found the garage in disarray?

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

[ QUOTE ]
Whoever romped through the garage most likely left a huge fingerprint trail - if you have some buddies in the local PD then maybe they could help match up the ones on the toolshed with the ones on the wall above your headboard, or wherever else they could be in the bedroom, and have a good laugh in the meantime. Hopefully, she didn't help you return everything to normal too much to taint the evidence. If this story is completely true, I would want all the evidence I could get.

I think you were too hasty in giving up any new info to the crazy chick. She or an associate 100% would have returned to make the real robbery - now, not too likely, and it will be hard to bust her. Was she exhibiting any other strange behavior during the night, especially after you found the garage in disarray?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, I think the way the chick was acting when they discovered the disarray, when the cops were there, etc., is something Alobar should go into a lot more detail about.

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

Is there any possibility she is a hard drug user? What about her “ex” – do you know anything about him? If he’s using some bad [censored], he could well be putting her up to it. It really sounds like a bungled attempt at grabbing your garage key and spare car key (not the obvious one on the dashboard).

Also, the idea of fingerprinting is good. It’s actually fairly easy to do yourself, and quite good fun in a childish kind of way [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]. Google search for the powder and a guide, and you need a magnifying glass/brush etc. Keep anything she used/touched (cup etc.) wrapped in a polythene bag until then. Practise on your own/friends prints for a while first. It won't stand up in court though.....

Re: Important new info
 

[ QUOTE ]
i really dont buy that the girl was looking through all your stuff and didnt have time to put everything back the way it was. is she an total idiot? anyone with logical sense will close any doors they open and put any lids back where they belong. by doing this, she may not be able to find the remote because she wont have to time to search everywhere, but at least this way you have no idea she was down there. obviously the way she left the scene you are going to change the remote access on your garage and suspect her directly.

some other things to think about:

it makes no sense that she wanted to leave early. she could have woken up in the morning and it would look much more like people came to scope out your place in the middle of the night.

dont you also think that she would try to get out of bed while you were sleeping to clean everything up in your basement? i know that if i was over someones house and was planning on robbing them id be scared shitless that i left the place the way that i did. id definitely come up with some sort of plan to go down there and fix it up.

wasnt the remote in plain site? if she went down there, what is the likelyhood that she would find the remote before going through all your [censored]? probably extremely likely.

shes either the stupidest crook in the world, or your theory is not right.


when first reading the thread, i thought you should setup a camera down there mainly because it was looking like there was a high probability that your place was haunted. that would be crazy to get it all on tape if a ghost went through all your stuff again. however, since the remote is missing i cant see this as a possibility.

[/ QUOTE ]

good analysis TStone. but what if we go to third-level thinking on this one. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

my hypothesis:
This girl is an accomplice in a house burglary ring. She picks-up the guys, scopes the houses, other dudes come a couple weeks later and finish the job. She figures, why not hit up an easy target, no work required...

she realizes that if your remote goes missing while she was there, she will look like an obvious suspect. so she tries to make the scene as random and weird as she can, like somebody was looking for something. this would lead you to the "neighbor's kid looking for drugs" or "random robber" conclusions nearly every time. she is absolved of suspicion, as if she had been the culprit she would have been as smooth and sneaky as possible. she wouldn't want you to notice that the remote was gone until she was long gone. plus she would have already known where the remote was, b/c she would have scoped the garage the first time she was in it. so having no reason to make the garage really messy and obvious is the best reason of all to do it.

the simplest explanation is usually correct, but its just not as fun damnit!

Re: Important new info
 

Its too bad Alobar overplayed his hand before consulting OOT. I'm sure we could have come up with a good, devious way of trapping her at little/no risk to his person/property.

Re: Important new info
 

After reading the additional information, it MUST be the chick. Reason being, if someone else was able to get into your garage without you knowing, why would they steal the garage door opener, instead of just entering the same way again in the future?

There are a couple possible explanations for the chick doing this:

(a) She was planning on robbing you when you went out of town (most likely)

(b) She was planning on staying at your place when you go out of town, which could be for many reasons such as she is getting evicted, she is mental and wanted to rub herself all over your sheets, she is a CIA operative and is spying on you (okay, not very likely)

(c) She thought that you nailing her gives her the right to stop in un-announced whenever she pleases

I am sure that there are other possible explanations, but if I were you I would set up some sort of trap to catch the broad. There are obviously many more choices that you will have to face if you do catch her. Do you turn her in, forgive her, blackmail her, etc.

Okay, thats enough thinking for me, you can figure out the rest.

Re: Important new info
 

I don't think she had an accomplice. If she did, she would have waited until morning to ask to leave. I think she acted alone. She waited for an opportunity to be alone for a short period of time (you upstairs, tired in bed because it's 3 AM) and then went down to the garage to search for the remote and an extra set of keys. I think the fact that she asked to go home at 3 AM was simply that she completed her mission and found what she was looking for (the remote). Otherwise she would have told you earlier in the night she would have to leave in the early AM for work and not spring that on you at 3 AM in the morning.

I also agree with not telling her all those things you mentioned before. There are enough bright minds in here to come up with something to set her up.

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

[ QUOTE ]
Sounds to me like this girl is involved and incompetent, or has a psycho following her around. And don't rule out that she already knew where your place was - she had your phone number and could have just feigned ignorance.


[/ QUOTE ]

I've had my same phone number for 3 years, its a cell and its the only number I have, Its not connected to where I live. I checked some seach engines online just now, and nothing comes up with it.

to answer some other Qs, I'm 95% sure my dog would have barked, she goes apeshit whenever she hears anything outside, like the side gate being opened, or when someone knocks on the door. She has also barked everytime someone strange (to her) has been in the backyard (landlord, lawn care people, etc).

Im actually suprised she found my garage door opener, cuz it wasnt in an obvious spot, I am really suprised tho she didnt spend the entire night, I think that would have been a smarter play, sneak down later and put everything back to normal. but like someone said, maybe she was just worried id notice the remote was gone, and id suspect her. who knows tho, maybe she has a drug dealing BF that gets home at 4am and she had to get back.

I gave her all the information, because I didnt want to try and set her up. Who knows if shes coming back, or shes got some total drug addled thug types coming back. I have to live here, and I care much more about not getting boken into, than laying awake at night trying to catch someone in the act. I also am going to be out of town for 2 weeks and didnt want to come back to see my place emptied out. So I decided to make the play that makes it least likely she or someone she knows comes back to rob me. She now knows that the remote doesnt work, she thinks I have an alarm system, and she thinks im not going out of town.

I'm done with this chick to, so shes not gunna be over here again to get another crack at scoping anything out. Since she obviously used me, I might decide to use her, string her along and eff her at her place a few times. But I prolly won't, it's not worth it, and she obviously isnt the same person anymore, so who knows what would happen.

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

[ QUOTE ]
Im actually suprised she found my garage door opener, cuz it wasnt in an obvious spot, I am really suprised tho she didnt spend the entire night, I think that would have been a smarter play, sneak down later and put everything back to normal. but like someone said, maybe she was just worried id notice the remote was gone, and id suspect her. who knows tho, maybe she has a drug dealing BF that gets home at 4am and she had to get back.

[/ QUOTE ]Or maybe it was the alchohol. You really dodged a bullet. All she had to do was go back down to the "bathroom" at some point later in the night, close everything, and you would have been owned.

Where do you hide your garage opener?

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

[ QUOTE ]


Where do you hide your garage opener?

[/ QUOTE ]

Its not really hidden, its just in a really wierd place. Its on a shelf that holds all my bicycle stuff (shoes, helmet, etc), so that when I leave to go for a ride, I can close the garage near where the door actually is, cuz the only garage door button is right next to the door leading into the house. When I come back, I just let myself in through the house with my key.

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
And don't rule out that she already knew where your place was - she had your phone number

[/ QUOTE ]

Try your phone number here:

http://www.daplus.us/PhoneSearch.aspx

[/ QUOTE ]

This works in Google, too -- just type in the phone number.

-d

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
And don't rule out that she already knew where your place was - she had your phone number

[/ QUOTE ]

Try your phone number here:

http://www.daplus.us/PhoneSearch.aspx

[/ QUOTE ]

This works in Google, too -- just type in the phone number.

-d

[/ QUOTE ]
I'll bet that I could find your address if I knew your full name. Try here.

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

this thread makes me not want to return my ex gf's call

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]


Where do you hide your garage opener?

[/ QUOTE ]

Its not really hidden, its just in a really wierd place. Its on a shelf that holds all my bicycle stuff (shoes, helmet, etc

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks, this should make things easier next time.

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

[ QUOTE ]

I'm done with this chick to, so shes not gunna be over here again to get another crack at scoping anything out. Since she obviously used me, I might decide to use her, string her along and eff her at her place a few times.


[/ QUOTE ]

Do not do this! If she's not working alone, this is just asking to be ambushed and rolled. If you have to hit it again, make it a hotel or some other neutral site (and make it spontaneous so she can't make any plans). You're bang on about never taking her to your place again she could easily be setting you up for a home invasion. If anything, you really should decide ahead of time on a course of action if she shows up at your door unexpectedly! (ie: You're on your way out, friends are coming over, etc...)

I think it's very, very likely she's not working alone. Presumably she wasn't doing burglaries two years ago or she would have tried to take you then. So something's changed since then and it'd be pretty unusual for someone to suddenly, spontaneously start start pulling crimes like this on their own. Far more likely someone got her into it, and likely that boyfriend she supposedly broke up with. So you really should keep in mind you have no idea about this guy and at best he's willing to pimp out his girlfriend to make a b&e job easier, at worst he gets off on having her sleep with some guy and then ripping him off. They may well decide they've put enough time into this that they should give your place a try anyway, or she may decide you have enough good stuff to give it a shot...

If she was intending to rip you off by herself she's going to have a lot harder time cleaning you out than if she's got help. Nope, the whole things smells of some semblance of planning and not a spur of the moment thing, she absolutely knew going in what she was going to do. In fact, she's probably IS going through her phone book and setting up old boyfriends, working her way down the list - How do you know her? Do you have mutual friends? If so, you should ask around and see if anyone else has been ripped off. I can guarantee you this wasn't her first time.

As someone mentioned, she was looking for a spare set of keys - It's not unusual for someone to keep a spare set of house keys in the garage, particularly if the door between the house and garage locks automatically so they're prone to locking themselves out. You should probably assume she's managed to get a hold of a set of keys, either in the garage or main part of the house and have your locks changed. Even if you don't remember having a spare set, you may have left one in a drawer somewhere. Better to be safe than sorry.

As far as leaving the mess, or wanting to go home early, neither is unusual. Under stress, people do best when they rely on habit. That's why the army runs drill after drill, that's hy atheletes practice, practice, practice. If she's an experienced burglar then she would go with her routine which is to not care about making a mess while searching for goodies (this is also more efficient, since if you run out of time or are disturbed you still get the maximum amount of searching done, wheras if you tidy as you go it only slows you down). She may have intended to straighten up after she was finished but might have been interrupted (ie: the dog, or she might have thought she heard you coming downstairs). At any rate, it wouldn't be a huge priority since if nothing's missing most people won't bother calling the cops and even if you do, she's unlikely to be a suspect (hiding in plain sight).

She wanted to go home early because she'd already gotten what she'd come for and probably couldn't sleep because of the rush, particularly if she had intended to straighten up to avoid detection. If there is a boyfriend in the background then she would also want to get back to him and tell him that she'd scored (and that he's way better than you...)

You should call the burglary division (nevermind patrol cops) of your local PD and set up a meeting with a detective. Unless they're completely incompetant they'll be very interested, just lay the whole thing out. They may well be looking at a string of burglaries...

Do you have anyone who can house sit while your out of town? Or at least drop by regularly? If not, then how about your neighbours, can you get someone to keep an eye out?

Re: Important new info
 

Why not a bluff to try to get her to admit something?

Try "the cops called me back today and said they suspect you were involved but didn't want to say anything at the time, [or the found some fingerprints or something]."

Then you can come with "I will vouch for you but you have to let me know if you were at all involved. I need to know whether I need to lie to the cops or not so I can get my story straight. I think I can get them off your back but you have to be straight with me."

KJS

Re: Important new info
 

IMHO, a terrible idea.

If she's involved, she's extremely unlikely to admit anything and even if she does, except for his own "piece of mind", what good does it do? It's his word against hers. Why would she believe he'd cover for her after she just tried to rob him?

And right now, she has no idea he suspects her. This completely tips his hand and he looses all advantage. Hell, for all he knows she does have a boyfriend, the boyfriend freaks out at the thought of getting busted and comes for a visit carrying Mr. Louisville Slugger or Mr Smith and Mr Wesson.

Finally, on the remote chance that she's completely innocent, he's essentially accusing her and she's likely to be seriously offended.

If he's really interested in taking her down, he absolutely should only do it with the cops if they're up for a sting.

Otherwise, he should just stay the hell away from her and beef up his home security just in case she/they try to make a run at his house anyway.

Re: Important new info
 

BUMP!

What happened with this?!

I don't think it was the chick (unless she is on some heavy drugs) because leaving everything open is an ENORMOUS hassle for her. Why not just slip the opener in her purse and not have the whole scene with the cops?

And it takes approximately a half a second to close something that you opened...

Haha, I can't believe I replied to this.

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

maybe she's a drug addict...
she could of sniffed all of the paint at her house, called you up, fked u, pretended to pee, and went in your garage.
SHe then looked around for any inhalants finding none, so she opened your gas tank and huffed as much gas as possible.

possible-yes probable-no

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

So did you ever figure out for sure what happened, Alobar?

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I missed you Alobar [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

yeah, this thread was awsome. we need a followup

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

Dude, it sounds like one of your friends is [censored] with you. They came to visit, heard you having sex, waited, got bored, and decided to have a little fun by tripping you out. Maybe it was an ex? [censored], I don't know. I don't imagine a stranger doing this cuz honestly, that's way risky. What are they gonna say? "Ohhh I wasn't gonna take anything, honest!" Or it was just a ghost.

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
btw she could have done this while you were sleeping from 2-3am, no?

[/ QUOTE ]

naw, cuz she was laying with me, I would have woken up if she had untangled herself from me and snuck off

[/ QUOTE ]

man, doesn't it strike you as odd that she woke you up at 3am to ask for a ride home? either ask after the movie, just as you are planning to sleep or spend the night. letting you fall asleep, then 1 hour later, waking you up seems very strange to me. she couldn't move then but text messages she could.

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

Yea whatever happened with this? While I was reading I thought it had to be a garage door opener he/she/it was looking for.

Ever talk to this chick again?

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

[ QUOTE ]
Sounds like you were a lousy lay, so she made an excuse to go looking around for a murder weapon, but couldn't find anything gruesome enough.

[/ QUOTE ]

Aw, I was waiting for your four paragraph, definitive solution to the Mystery of the Rifled-Through Garage. Your responses have been so short and smart-assed lately.

Re: Some strange sh*t, what do I make of it? *warning, long*
 

I am definetly getting an alarm if i am you. And i would definetly be scared of this chick and her friends. She was definetly in on it.