Re: 25-50 NL AA hand
 

FF,

If I can figure out that I'm behind, I have no problem laying down one pair here. The question is, is there a way to do that vs an aggressive player in this kind of spot? If not, at what point (BB-wise) does that become the consideration rather than figuring out how best to stack QQ?

Re: 25-50 NL AA hand
 

lapoker,

I got the stacks wrong. We have 11700 (234BB), not 11000.

What is your line now?

Re: 25-50 NL AA hand
 

If there was no flush draw on this flop, we would feel really good about just calling right?

Re: 25-50 NL AA hand
 

Play it like you would if you knew he had Kings.

Re: 25-50 NL AA hand
 

I still think u are too concerned about this flush draw. If anything the flush draw gives us more of a reason to just call because its a non made hand he can put us on

Re: 25-50 NL AA hand
 

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I still think u are too concerned about this flush draw. If anything the flush draw gives us more of a reason to just call because its a non made hand he can put us on

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If he was against a more solid player, I wouldn't worry about the flush draw so much. But this Deerchaser fellow seems like the type that would get frisky here with a draw.

Re: 25-50 NL AA hand
 

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If there was no flush draw on this flop, we would feel really good about just calling right?

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I think we'd feel worse, because it's much less likely that he's playing back at us with a draw and much more likely that we are crushed. FWIW, a naked draw could easily play it this way.
-James

Re: 25-50 NL AA hand
 

Diablo,

I think the minraise is a huge pain. If you're going to fold, it's to that raise. The only other way to fold I can imagine is calling then leading out 3/4 pot on the turn, but then the pot's so huge you probably have to call and hope you're good.

If you call and check, and he bets, can you be sure you're behind? Unless you plan on calling and checking hoping he checks it down, your options are:
1) Push-lets him off easy with worse hands
2) Fold-very disgusting
3) Call and lead the turn-seems all right, but not as good as
4) Call and go for the check-raise on the turn. This might risk giving him free cards, but if he's as aggressive as you say I doubt this c/raise attempt will whiff. I guess my original suggestion stands b/c I'm not folding to this minraise and I see no other part of the hand where you can find a fold.

Re: 25-50 NL AA hand
 

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If there was no flush draw on this flop, we would feel really good about just calling right?

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I think we'd feel worse, because it's much less likely that he's playing back at us with a draw and much more likely that we are crushed.
-James

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This is obviously true

Re: 25-50 NL AA hand
 

in that case.

this is not a mechanical hand dude. your characterization of him as aggro, combined with what i perhaps mistakenly infer - that you are viewed as solid and aggros thusly take shots at you - makes me far more willing to go broke here. i think folding to the flop raise is very weak and not something i would do given the little info i have available. i think pushing (assuming you are viewed as solidish) is not a good option because so few draws are out and most hands that call beat us.

so, after calling his flop raise, most of the deck provides innocuous, turns. if you just called the flop to see if he would fire again on a blank turn, then maybe you should fold the flop. just not something i would do.