Re: \"solid\" players have NO concept of bubble play
 

Your play is correct in theory, but you have to remember to account for the 'idiot factor'. You are basically setting BB up to make a huge mistake that costs both of you bigtime, and all for 300 chips.

Re: \"solid\" players have NO concept of bubble play
 

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what do you suggest we shove here?

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You missed the point - I'm suggesting you DON'T shove ~19 BBs against a loose calling range.

You have to understand that most of these donkeys don't take a whole lot into consideration when making a call like this. They see pretty cards and don't want to fold them, especially when you've been playing hyper-agressive. Its far better to have him call a normal raise when he does pick up one of those "pretty hands" so you don't put your whole stack at risk.

Re: \"solid\" players have NO concept of bubble play
 

if im bb im calling with 3 hands.. QQ KK and AA. the 900 chip stack guy will probably widen to JJ and AK as well. that means, shoving 23o should be quite profitable for you. what is the reason for this post? its a 22. he doesnt know how to play. so what. holla

Re: \"solid\" players have NO concept of bubble play
 

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what do you suggest we shove here?

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You missed the point - I'm suggesting you DON'T shove ~19 BBs against a loose calling range.

You have to understand that most of these donkeys don't take a whole lot into consideration when making a call like this. They see pretty cards and don't want to fold them, especially when you've been playing hyper-agressive. Its far better to have him call a normal raise when he does pick up one of those "pretty hands" so you don't put your whole stack at risk.

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Almost anytime you are on the bubble with 100-200 blinds there has been some very loose play to get there that quickly. Many times this involves someone donking their way to a big stack. To assume that anyone has suddenly learned how to play the bubble even close to correctly is very dangerous.

In this specific hand the best play is to fold because the best possible scenario is that SB and BB get involved with each other. It costs you very little $EV to fold this hand because the blinds are so small. The looseness of the table that got you to the bubble at 100-200 blinds makes it that much more likely that SB and BB do something stupid. Bad players make the most mistakes from the blinds. They don't have to make a mistake here very often at all to offset the small $EV loss from folding.

Not to be results oriented, but if you fold here SB is pushing into the BB right? How often does BB need to call for you to have a hugely +EV situation?

Re: \"solid\" players have NO concept of bubble play
 

But you are not the BB. Some random guy is. He could easily be a moron...

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But you are not the BB. Some random guy is. He could easily be a moron...

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Re: \"solid\" players have NO concept of bubble play
 

I think this might be a spot for the always ridiculous minraise.