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Eat a dick.

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I never considered folding. That wasn't a consideration at all.

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lol i know, what i meant was normally with an over on the board I dont count my pair outs at all. but here we are. is it because the pot is big or what?

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lol i know, what i meant was normally with an over on the board I dont count my pair outs at all. but here we are. is it because the pot is big or what?

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Oh. Given my reads, I felt pretty confident that niehter play has a queen here a good % of the time. MP has a queen here almost nevver. UTG is a bit harder to read because he's laggy pre-flop and doesn't slow down unless someone pops him. So, assuming the flop missed him as much as flops miss post people, I figured my jacks and tens, while dirty, might be good.

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You have a marginal hand with a marginal draw.

Peel a card. raising the flop is spewing. You might raise the turn if you pair up with a non-heart (3 outs).

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nh.

I think I raise in this game -- it will often eliminate the 2p2er and the BB and possibly clean up some of those J/T outs (if they actually exist). It might also buy you a free card. Staying aggressive in this game also has some large metagame value.

On the other hand, if the 2p2er CRs, I don't like my situation too much.

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watch me write a Hand for analysis.

JTs in the CO.

UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Is this enough action to call with JTs?

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I like a flop raise.

It may get the better post flop players to fold, it gets the weak UTG to slow down and the obvious free card benefits.

You've got minimum 15% equity in a humungoid pot and already 2 players in the pot. The free card doesn't have to come very often to be profitable.

If I didn't have the read on UTG, I might favour a call.

BTW. I doubt you're clearing up any outs with a raise.

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BTW. I doubt you're clearing up any outs with a raise.

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My clearing outs comment was based on OP's belief that there is not a Q in the hand of the first two players...

You don't think a raise gets an AJ/KT type hand to fold in the blinds? Call two cold with those hands OOP? I think it clears outs as often as it buys a free card...

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I think it clears outs as often as it buys a free card...

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I don't think there's any chance of a free turn card in this hand, in this size pot, even if you raise the flop. About the only thing you can do is hope to blast out those behind you, but you should pretty much expect to put money in on the turn as well, given the reads on the players.