Re: KK makes set and gets donked...
 

Grunch:

Best intentions usually = kick in the nuts.

You gotta raise the flop with 2 diamonds showing. After that, keep your foot on the accelerator & get what you can.

Re: KK makes set and gets donked...
 

Grunching:

The only thing I have to say is with the diamond flush draw on the board on the flop, I'm raising making people pay to draw to their flushes.

Re: KK makes set and gets donked...
 

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I think you need to raise the flop to try and get rid of the flush draws. Although at .25/.5 you won't, you can at least make them pay for it.

Turn and river fine.

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One of the most important things you need to understand in limit hold'em is that you can NEVER get rid of flush draws.

Never.

Not once.

But you can always bet and raise for value.

Re: KK makes set and gets donked...
 

I guess the part I don't understand is WHY I am raising the flop. Is it for value because I have the best hand or because of flush possibilities and I want to change the odds they are getting to make it an incorrect play for them? Or what?

Re: KK makes set and gets donked...
 

The thing is you have a huge hand, and even if someone makes a flush on the turn, you have a redraw to a huger hand. So waiting for the turn because your equity goes up isn't even something to worry about here. You WANT them to call more bets with flush draws.

Re: KK makes set and gets donked...
 

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After one donk into you on the flop, I'm not waiting for the turn because there is no guarantee he is betting again.

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Nobody is putting you on top set when you raise this flop.

They will think they are drawing live to their five outers. Raise.

Re: KK makes set and gets donked...
 

Ok - That makes sense shant, thanks

Re: KK makes set and gets donked...
 

*grunch*

Reraise flop, please! This is a poster child hand that screams don't slowplay

Stop reading WLLH, charging flushes...uh huh...dead give away. A flush draw will never let go. Go crazy on every street.

Crovax

Re: KK makes set and gets donked...
 

Unless the blinds are very weak-tight, then you should raise every chance you get. You have huge equity here, a straight draw is fairly unlikely, and just because there are two diamonds on the board doesn't mean someone has a draw. Flushdraws aren't going anywhere no matter what you do. And even if you just call the flop with intention to raise on the turn to protect your hand, you're still giving the blinds good enough odds to call on both streets with a flushdraw. Your hand isn't very vulnurable, there is no point in protecting, just build the pot as much as you can, and hope someone tries to draw to two pairs.

Re: KK makes set and gets donked...
 

Here, my friend, is the ML forum-approved list of all instances when you should slowplay a set or better:
<ul type="square">[*][/list]If you have a set or better and your situation is not on the above list, you need to bet the flop.