Re: why am i always in these spots?
 

Is it wrong to limp preflop? You've got two very loose blinds who are probably coming along anyway, so we're bloating a multiway pot with a hand that will probably need to hit to win as a result. Ordinarily I raise too but with blinds that loose and whatnot...

Re: why am i always in these spots?
 

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Is it wrong to limp preflop?

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i don't think it matters much either way.

Re: why am i always in these spots?
 

I also bet the flop, but for a slightly different reason than most. Like you said, absolutely no protection here, so throw that out. IF button hit, he will always bet/raise. If button missed, he will sometimes bet and sometimes check, but raising is less likely than either.

You really don't want to risk a check, that I agree with, and betting protects against that. But even if he hit, he may not 3bet a c/r, where he'll almost always raise a bet, letting you 3bet. I think you want the money flowing in, and the donks will call two with almost any hand really, so getting that 3bet is huge, and preventing a check through is important as well.

After that, the rest of the hand is easy!

<font color="white">Not really, I like putting BB on JT, but in the heat of battle there's no way I'd come up with that. Tough river.</font>

Re: why am i always in these spots?
 

It really is hard to follow the action here. I've only skimmed the posts, but someone's got to be pretty damn fishy if they called all those early bets with just J10 (unless they had a flush draw too).

I have a hard time getting away from this. Just remember what a wise man once said, if you lost with trips and didn't lose a lot, that means you didn't play them correctly.

Finally, I don't think anything you did on the flop makes a difference. These people were obviously calling down no matter what.

Re: why am i always in these spots?
 

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Is it wrong to limp preflop? You've got two very loose blinds who are probably coming along anyway, so we're bloating a multiway pot with a hand that will probably need to hit to win as a result. Ordinarily I raise too but with blinds that loose and whatnot...

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I agree, I think that given the looseness of these blinds this should be a limp.

Re: why am i always in these spots?
 

check raise the flop, call his three bet, check raise the turn.

Re: why am i always in these spots?
 

im intrigued, what happened?

Re: why am i always in these spots?
 

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someone's got to be pretty damn fishy if they called all those early bets with just J10 (unless they had a flush draw too).

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I dunno man, SB is getting 16-1, 23-2 and 30-1 on his calls. it's at least close

Re: why am i always in these spots?
 

Yeah, but look how many bets J10 had to call pf.

Re: why am i always in these spots?
 

BB has a 45 VPIP and gets the BB discount. He very easily could have J10s.