Re: Easy solution to captured enemy prisoners
 

I'm always surprised at how many of us actually reply to a thread like this. On the other hand, there are so many vehement disagreements on this forum, maybe it just feels good to be able to agree on something.

But torture them first, OK ?
 

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Stop taking prisoners. Shoot them on the battlefield.

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I think it is probably a lot better to torture them first - and then off them. It does wonders for the morale of the troops, plus it quickly weans out the degenerate weaklings from among them.

My idea would be to torture the POWs right there, on the battlefield, so as to avoid the burden of transporting them back to the base for torture.

The troops should use what's available on the battlefield. An idea would be to rip out an arm or a leg from one of his dead comrades and hit him with it. Another idea would be to choke the prisoner by shoving in his mouth dirt from the ground, the dirtier the better. Get the ol' zippo to light up his pants while you're at it. And so on.

Of course, if the prisoner is already wounded, the possibilities are endless. You can have fun with the wound until he is all one.

PS You need one flamethrower per company to be cleaning up the mess afterwards.

Re: Easy solution to captured enemy prisoners
 

The reasons why we lost this war have nothing to do with international law or how other people feel about it. Wether there was UN approval, wether Norway gave a rats ass, none of that ever really had an effect on the outcome of the war. That is why no one here cares about the UN.

Only two things ever mattered to this wars success, wether the Iraqi people wanted a liberal democracy and wether they were willing to accept outside interference to get from point A to point B. They have clearly rejected both of these things.

One could say that they might have been more accepting of these things if things had been run better, but that has little to do with the UN or international approval. The vast majority of funds, troops, and leadership would have been provided by the US under any circumstances.

International law and rules are a joke. No one can enforce them and people only obey them when it is already in thier best interest. That's not a law or a rule, it's words on paper.

P.S. The above is not related to the use of torture, which clearly agitates the Iraqi's, the only people who's opinion we care about. Though I don't think getting rid of Abu Gharaib would really have changed anything, they just don't accept those two concepts at all.

Re: Easy solution to captured enemy prisoners
 

It makes me sick when you say the war is already lost.

Tell that to the troops. (You know, the guys that are still fighting.)

Stand in front of them and say they lost the war.

I'm sure they'd love to hear that.

Re: Easy solution to captured enemy prisoners
 

They would, they can come home.

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Yeah, the sad thing is they still have to fight.

Tell them they are fighting a lost battle, I'm sure that would have a positive effect.

What I'm trying to say is, when someone has a job to do, you don't tell them there's no point in doing it. It only makes them perform worse, and that could cost lives and more time, in combat.

Re: Easy solution to captured enemy prisoners
 

The first step to ending an unwinnable war is to acknowledge that it is unwinnable. This can only be done through public discourse.

Moral is not the reason we aren't winning, we aren't winning because it's impossible to win.

Re: Easy solution to captured enemy prisoners
 

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The first step to ending an unwinnable war is to acknowledge that it is unwinnable. This can only be done through public discourse.

Moral is not the reason we aren't winning, we aren't winning because it's impossible to win.

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How can you have discourse of this type when anyone who criticizes the war is branded as "unpatriotic" or as "not supporting the troops"?

Re: Easy solution to captured enemy prisoners
 

You do it by using facts and reasoning.

You don't try to be PC about it, and you don't try to use your own counter propoganda as it degrades your own credibility.

The murtha amendment was a good chance for the anti-war crowd to set thier own timetable for withdrawal, but instead of standing up for thier believes they continued to play both sides of the fence.

If you believe US troops should come home, say so, and present a timeline. Criticism without presenting alternatives is why the anti-war crowd lost before the war and is losing today.

Re: Easy solution to captured enemy prisoners
 

And when the Iraqi army surrenders en masse in GWI, surrendering to helicopters, etc...

We just blow them away?