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For those advocating giving looser ranges to BB (and SB) I think that's very wrong. At low BIs, 33s included, people simply do not call very loosely when there chip standing can go from ITM to 4th. BB has a lot to lose here and if you havent been pushing like a maniac up until now, then, this push should be very +EV off the top of my head. I wouldnt put BB on maniac calling range ever here.

I couldnt imagine a hand like KT calling here.

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This is exactly what I was thinking.

If they call and lose, they're in trouble. They don't want to take that chance right now. Not with a shroty.

I think their calling ranges have to be pretty tight here.

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I used to fold this pretty much 100% of the time. Now I push this perhaps 2/3. I am convinced it was a bigger leak earlier.

Shorty doesn't even have to double up for you to get in trouble. All he needs is a walk.

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I think I push this, if I have any read whatsoever that these guys aren't calling loose. SB has to worry that the BB will wake up with a big hand behind, and the BB will be crippled if he calls you and loses. What's your image like?

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I think I push this, if I have any read whatsoever that these guys aren't calling loose. SB has to worry that the BB will wake up with a big hand behind, and the BB will be crippled if he calls you and loses. What's your image like?

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Point of the post is not to be tournament specific. I meant it to be more universal.

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In a vacuum I'd push, if that's what you're getting at.

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I think I push this, if I have any read whatsoever that these guys aren't calling loose. SB has to worry that the BB will wake up with a big hand behind, and the BB will be crippled if he calls you and loses. What's your image like?

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Point of the post is not to be tournament specific. I meant it to be more universal.

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I would universally push here. Its more of a "drip drip", not a leak perhaps.

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In a vacuum I'd push, if that's what you're getting at.

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LOL, this is a discussion hand. I often think about the bubble in terms of stack management and specifically in terms of relative stack management. This hand was counter-intuitive to me.

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Point of the post is not to be tournament specific. I meant it to be more universal.

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Shorthanded poker is meaningless without reads. This should be obvious, David Sklansky style*.

<font color="white">*(and it's not close, do you see why?)</font>

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I fold there. I tend to put most oppenants on either Loose or Maniac setting. Even under Average setting, SNGPT gives this a +0.2 wich is not enough for a push. So only way you can push in this spot is if you put the two big stacks in the blinds behind you on Tight setting. I think that is very unrealistic, expecially in a $33.

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You sure buddy? Try putting in the correct blinds...

Iffy situation- at first I thought this was an easy push but the more I look at it the more dependent on reads/table image this becomes. If you've been pushing the last few orbits or anyone has said any comments about you pushing- fold easily. If you've been quiet, the shorty has been pushing or getting walks... I push here.

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Point of the post is not to be tournament specific. I meant it to be more universal.

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Shorthanded poker is meaningless without reads. This should be obvious, David Sklansky style*.

<font color="white">*(and it's not close, do you see why?)</font>

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I understand what you're saying, thus my opinion is that you would say, if my image was _______, then I would act in this fashion, otherwise, I would __________.

I didn't want to talk about, ok, in this situation, I would play it this way because ________.

Overall, mathematically, it's +EV. The magnitude is what through me off. I had not realized this before. In fact, it's so big, I think it's something I need to do more. I agree, if I'm in a war with BB over some trivial suckout earlier, I'm more likely to fold this.