Re: Folding the river for one bet with top pair...
 

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I don't raise KTo or KJo in the SB, I think that's going too far. The TAG BB will call often, and it looks like you're saying you want a fold.

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the limpers, well, limped, so we assume they aren't too good. KJ is strong enough to raise here, I don't think the tag BB is calling that often, he is tight afterall.

Re: Folding the river for one bet with top pair...
 

Well, here I think most people are saying that the river fold is wrong, based on probable hands. All I'm saying is that, once we conclude the decision is -ev, nothing is gained by the additional, inflammatory labels.

(Incidentally, looking back at this thread, I don't think anyone used such terms here, though it certainly happens frequently.)

Re: Folding the river for one bet with top pair...
 

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(Incidentally, looking back at this thread, I don't think anyone used such terms here, though it certainly happens frequently.)

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*raises hand*

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I think the river fold is not heinous.

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Re: Folding the river for one bet with top pair...
 

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I don't raise KTo or KJo in the SB, I think that's going too far. The TAG BB will call often, and it looks like you're saying you want a fold.

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the limpers, well, limped, so we assume they aren't too good. KJ is strong enough to raise here, I don't think the tag BB is calling that often, he is tight afterall.

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Getting 7-1, I'm calling with a whole bunch of suited trash-looking cards and obviously all pairs. The one thing I fear is dominated broadway cards, but I may call with those also.

I think a TAG who plays well post-flop is calling a lot here in what will likely be a 4-handed pot.

Re: Folding the river for one bet with top pair...
 

KTs, KJ, KQ are possible.
2 + 8 + 8/2 (divided by two because we split) = 14

you lose to AA, KK, and AK.
6 + 1 + 8 = 15

discount the hands we beat a bunch and we should still be calling the river.

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I am raising KJo out of the SB vs two limpers with a TAG BB a LOT, and KTs/KTo against the right limpers/BB. and i'm not even close to the 30/20 tags, more like 25/17.

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Will you then three-bet the flop and bet all streets?

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on this raggedy flushy board absolutely

Re: Folding the river for one bet with top pair...
 

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getting about 19-1 I am calling that river for sure.

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easy greasy

Re: Folding the river for one bet with top pair...
 

Either Cap the Flop or Raise the turn.

Folding the river? Yikes!

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top pair with a flush draw? the K is a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Re: Folding the river for one bet with top pair...
 

Not counting KTos in villains range, and giving the other top 30% of hands..
Board: 3s 2h Ks 5c 7d
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 39.4377 % 30.14% 09.30% { KdQs }
Hand 2: 53.4448 % 44.15% 09.30% { KK+, AKs, KTs+, AKo, KJo+ }
Hand 3: 07.1175 % 06.69% 00.43% { 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q7s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, A5o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }

If you assume the other guy was on a FD and will fold:
Board: 3s 2h Ks 5c 7d
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 41.9355 % 32.26% 09.68% { KdQs }
Hand 2: 58.0645 % 48.39% 09.68% { KK+, AKs, KTs+, AKo, KJo+ }

Getting 19:1 this is a must call.