Re: 400bb overbet (complete LC brag)
 

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if i raise and face a push on the turn i have to gouge out my eyes.

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Yet you're perfectly willing to stick it all in on the river when you don't improve...

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Check the river card again, hearts are no longer good.

Re: 400bb overbet (complete LC brag)
 

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I would JACK THE FLOP UP BIGTIME. 80 to go.

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This is a $55 raise in a $92 pot. You guys need to really think more about your raise sizes. I would make it $125 to go and then push the turn or $100 to go on flop, pot turn, push river.

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maybe this is something that deserves its own post, but i struggle with "pot size raises". The basic problem for me is, it's not the same as a pot size bet. Let's say i lead for $20 into a $20 pot... villain has to fold only 50% of the time to make this a break even play (disregarding any show-down value). Nothing new here. But lets say villain acts first and he leads for $20. Pot is now $40, so a pot size raise from me is $80 (20 to call his bet, 60 for the raise). I've now put in $80 to win $40... villain has to fold 67% of the time to make it break even.

So basically your hand has to be much better to make a pot size raise than it does a pot size bet. Only very rarely do you want to make a pot size raise without a big hand because villain needs to fold much more often, and when he doesn't you've really inflated the pot.

This creates a problem for me. It's fundamentally wrong to only make a certain type of play when you have a strong holding. Whether opponents at my level notice or not, only making pot size raises with a strong hand isn't optimal. How can i resolve this? Either occasionally make pot size raises with weaker holdings also, or raise a smaller amount with strong holdings. I usually go with the second option, making what amounts to a 1/2-2/3 pot size raise. So when villain bets 20 into a 20 pot, i might make it 55 or 60 instead of 80. I feel more comfortable doing this with flops i've missed ("snapping off" a continuation bet) because villain has to fold less often to make it correct. Now I'm raising the same amount with weak and strong holdings, which seems a lot closer to optimal.

yes? no? go back to 25NL?

Re: 400bb overbet (complete LC brag)
 

well thats just the thing, you usually have better hands when youre raising then when youre betting ....your betting range should be a lot wider than your raising range.

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Your problem is that you are comparing raising to folding. Let's say that you rule out folding because your, say, draw is too strong to fold. Now run the calculations for a pot sized raise versus a CALL and you will see that it works out exactly the same as for a pot sized bet.

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Your problem is that you are comparing raising to folding. Let's say that you rule out folding because your, say, draw is too strong to fold. Now run the calculations for a pot sized raise versus a CALL and you will see that it works out exactly the same as for a pot sized bet.

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100NL 6-max effective stacks $100. hero is CO, villain in BB is aggressive and almost always makes a continuation bet.

Hero raises to $4, BB calls.

Flop ($9) - 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Villain bets $7, Hero... ?

i want to make the same play here with AK as i do with 77. A pot size bet is $30, but i'm more apt to make this $22.

Re: 400bb overbet (complete LC brag)
 

BB Can't really continuation bet here since you are PF aggressor.

This is a pretty good flop to slowplay 77.

You can probably fold AK.

Try another example.

Re: 400bb overbet (complete LC brag)
 

Big Jim,

LOL. Nice post. I agree. I flat call 77 and fold AK.

TWP

Re: 400bb overbet (complete LC brag)
 

This may work against a crappy player, but it won't work against any of us... I hope [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Build a big pot earlier!

Re: 400bb overbet (complete LC brag)
 

so what about 10[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], or QQ?

Re: 400bb overbet (complete LC brag)
 

There is no continuation bet in the example you give, as villian is not PF aggressor.

The other problem with the example you give is that there are no draws, which makes it more appealing to bet less.

I think that I call with both TJ and QQ there, raising some percentage of the time.

Of course, knowing what villian will lead into PFR with on a flop like this, and what he will call with, is pretty crucial.