Re: 30-60 Hand against jennicide
 

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Fear of the Weak Tight label strikes again. Flat calling down the turn and river is the best line here. You spend the same 2 BB's and -

1 - keep the worse hand in when you're ahead.
2 - give yourself a chance to catch the longshot 2 outer when behind.
3 - avoid giving too much action or being outplayed.

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I agree 100%. Putting in the same amount of bets plus giving yourself a few extra percent to catch up if behind, makes this the better play.

Re: 30-60 Hand against jennicide
 

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Fear of the Weak Tight label strikes again. Flat calling down the turn and river is the best line here. You spend the same 2 BB's and -

1 - keep the worse hand in when you're ahead.
2 - give yourself a chance to catch the longshot 2 outer when behind.
3 - avoid giving too much action or being outplayed.

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1. No worse hand is folding, so that should read, 'you miss value against a worse hand'

2. meh, 2 outs.

3. gave the same amount of action you want to and no way is jenniwhatever going to 3 bet bluff AQ

Re: 30-60 Hand against jennicide
 

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dont like that turn raise, call down.

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I agree.

Re: 30-60 Hand against jennicide
 

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1 - keep the worse hand in when you're ahead.

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1. No worse hand is folding, so that should read, 'you miss value against a worse hand'

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You're saying the missing value is because the villain wouldn't fold a worse hand (JJ) to his turn raise, even though the OP did and folded KK?

Everytime the villain would call the turn raise and pay off the river with a worse hand, but only 3 bet a better one, and the OP and can be positively assured that's there's no margin for error there?

Re: 30-60 Hand against jennicide
 

you and sa125 are correct here. multible betting and folding is about the worst play a person can make in holdem. what if she got a bug and decided to raise one more time with ace king. what a disaster for you to fold here. and what if you had the same hand.

Re: 30-60 Hand against jennicide
 

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"with AQ being the most likely."

But if this is true, then folding is obviously wrong. The problem I see is that for this to be true, we have to assume that jennicide is making no effort to read your hand, as you cannot possibly have a hand worse than AQ at this point in the action.

-Michael

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I think he means that is her hand range when she leads the turn, his turn range will then almost perfectly for hero sperate her hand range.

I'd rather 'raise the river to save bets' spicyf style.

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Yes. I like the raise/fold-turn line less and less and less whereas the SpicyF line is much better at punishing overaggression.

Re: 30-60 Hand against jennicide
 

LMD, it appears that you're a failure at quitting.

Love,
Daver

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You're saying the missing value is because the villain wouldn't fold a worse hand (JJ) to his turn raise, even though the OP did and folded KK?

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JJ isn't in here turn hand range. I am saying she will not fold AQ.

I think the OP can be very sure there isn't any error here since her hand range splits so nicely. Say AQ AA QQ TT. QQ TT are of course def def raising, and AQ is def def not reraising. Whatever AA does it doesn't matter. If it calls you still have a correct value bet on the river, if it raises that even better.

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JJ isn't in here turn hand range. I am saying she will not fold AQ.

I think the OP can be very sure there isn't any error here since her hand range splits so nicely. Say AQ AA QQ TT. QQ TT are of course def def raising, and AQ is def def not reraising. Whatever AA does it doesn't matter. If it calls you still have a correct value bet on the river, if it raises that even better.

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I initially had (AQ-JJ) as the example of a worse hand, but removed AQ because I was a little confused as to the initial point you were making. This spells it out pretty good though.

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Without doing any in-depth math, I'd predict that this fold should be an extremely rare event from a game threory perspective. You'd need a read that the villain is very passive to justify folding. Is this the case? You tell me. If my high limit experience is any indication, the answer is probably no.

-Eric