Re: Not much value in a value bet
 

Betting river seems bad to me. TAG is obviously on a draw. He's gonna raise with whatever monster he has on the turn. Checking seems to be more positive ev in the long run.

Re: Not much value in a value bet
 

"Also, unless your game is very loose this preflop limp is pretty bad."

I hope I'm not just a blind SSHE disciple, but I'm limping with this all the time. Certainly there are games where this could be a mistake, but I'm not playing in those games.

Re: Not much value in a value bet
 

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"Also, unless your game is very loose this preflop limp is pretty bad."

I hope I'm not just a blind SSHE disciple, but I'm limping with this all the time. Certainly there are games where this could be a mistake, but I'm not playing in those games.

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Are you playing 5/10? In the 5/10-games I play I think limping QTs utg is slightly -EV, but there's some loose 5/10 where I limp. If you're playing >5/10 I can tell you that one major diffrance is that 5/10 is much more aggressive preflop than lower limits, making this limp worse.

In this hand, with one poster, I think limping is fine.

Re: Not much value in a value bet
 

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Note, if villain ended up with a pair above second pair, then he isn't a tag and you need to adjust your read.

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If I were villain I could have ended up with a pair of 7s (I assume you mean higher than 2nd pair from the flop) on the river, probably paying off a bet but not betting this river. And I consider myself a tag.

Btw a decent average tag isn't as solid as many seem to think. I would need to be very confident in my read, not having just some stats, to not bet this river.

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Agreed. Stop with this inducing bluff stuff. Fancy Play Syndrome.