Re: Should this have been protected on the flop?
 

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2 things most people have failed to acknowledge.

1. An ace may only have 4 outs, but he has 2 chances to make those outs. The turn and the river. He is ~5:1 to win this pot on the flop.

2. His chances don't diminish on the turn. Any turn card gives the Ace another 3 outs with runner-runner boat. He is now 5.6:1 to win the pot.

EDIT: It doesn't matter what the turn card is (a 2,3,4 pairing still gives villian a bigger boat).

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I don't think this really has any bearing on whether we should slowplay or not. We are never folding another ace, so the question becomes how do we get the most $$$ in the pot.

Re: Should this have been protected on the flop?
 

I would have played this the same way, however I wouldn't have been caught shortstacked. This is exactly the reason why you always have enough money at the table.

Re: Should this have been protected on the flop?
 

Supposedly not having enough money at the table to cap every street is better.

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Supposedly not having enough money at the table to cap every street is better.

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Not running out of money during a hand is better, period, dot, end of discussion, site any reference you want. Running out of money when you have a winning hand is a catastrophe.

Re: Should this have been protected on the flop?
 

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Supposedly not having enough money at the table to cap every street is better.

thread

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Not running out of money during a hand is better, period, dot, end of discussion, site any reference you want. Running out of money when you have a winning hand is a catastrophe.

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read the thread.......

Re: Should this have been protected on the flop?
 

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2 things most people have failed to acknowledge.

1. An ace may only have 4 outs, but he has 2 chances to make those outs. The turn and the river. He is ~5:1 to win this pot on the flop.

2. His chances don't diminish on the turn. Any turn card gives the Ace another 3 outs with runner-runner boat. He is now 5.6:1 to win the pot.

EDIT: It doesn't matter what the turn card is (a 2,3,4 pairing still gives villian a bigger boat).

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I don't think this really has any bearing on whether we should slowplay or not. We are never folding another ace, so the question becomes how do we get the most $$$ in the pot.

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I don't think this answer really has any bearing on whether we should slowplay or not.

Re: Should this have been protected on the flop?
 

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Supposedly not having enough money at the table to cap every street is better.

thread

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Not running out of money during a hand is better, period, dot, end of discussion, site any reference you want. Running out of money when you have a winning hand is a catastrophe.

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read the thread.......

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I've read every word, and anyone who advocates short stacking is wrong and can just like it. If I flop AAK with AA and get all in on the turn, I may as well make icicles in my freezer so I can jam them in my eyes.

Re: Should this have been protected on the flop?
 

Slowplaying this flop sucks because the same hands that aren't folding to villain's single bet are also not folding to your two (flush draw, 3 of a kind). In other words, there are several very specific holdings that stick around here to pay you off, and you might as well get value out of them if they are out.

I would also like to add that a double ace or king flop is always difficult to slow play for value because your coming to life on later streets teleports the hell out of your hand.

Re: Should this have been protected on the flop?
 

raise flop. going for overcall is a mistake there.

Re: Should this have been protected on the flop?
 

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2 things most people have failed to acknowledge.

1. An ace may only have 4 outs, but he has 2 chances to make those outs. The turn and the river. He is ~5:1 to win this pot on the flop.

2. His chances don't diminish on the turn. Any turn card gives the Ace another 3 outs with runner-runner boat. He is now 5.6:1 to win the pot.

EDIT: It doesn't matter what the turn card is (a 2,3,4 pairing still gives villian a bigger boat).

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I don't think this really has any bearing on whether we should slowplay or not. We are never folding another ace, so the question becomes how do we get the most $$$ in the pot.

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I don't think this answer really has any bearing on whether we should slowplay or not.

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Jesus, I wasn't trying to be a dick or anything.