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On that board, betting AK is a value bet against bottomset's likely rage. Checking is foolhardy. Checking the turn is not the best of ideas, either. I don't want to give a free card, since he's almost certainly drawing live against me. If he has a hand he'll fold to a turn c/r, I'm winning anyway. Since I capped preflop, bottomset is putting me on a PP or cards that didn't connect with this flop. He's very unlikely to fold any pair. Ugh. And then you want me to 3bet that turn w/ A high, to "find out where I stand?" I'd much rather get to showdown than find out I'm beat in this case. I suggest you read this classic post by NPA.

Re: So I thought I should fold my boat...
 

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Why do I think this call down was better?

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Because it was bottomset on a 2+2 Lagfest Table?

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Why do I think this call down was better?

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Because it was bottomset on a 2+2 Lagfest Table?

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If that's your opinion of a 2+2 table, you really need to sit with me, Wookie, Jaxup, and our assorted cast.

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I was lazy and didn't repost the read. Here's the hand where I described it. It was certainly not a lag fest. It was one of the toughest games I've played in.

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Why do I think this call down was better?

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Because it was bottomset on a 2+2 Lagfest Table?

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If that's your opinion of a 2+2 table, you really need to sit with me, Wookie, Jaxup, and our assorted cast.

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Hi Pax,
Maybe things have tightened up lately. I've played on some 2+2 tables, but not recently. I'll jump in again when I see one and have a chance. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I was lazy and didn't repost the read. Here's the hand where I described it. It was certainly not a lag fest. It was one of the toughest games I've played in.

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I thought the game was a little laggy while i was there but very challenging and a bunch of fun much better than grinding away at the 2/4 all night. I think we should do it on a regular basis like evey Monday or some other slow night. If people ever plan on moving up in limits i can't think of better way to prepare than playing at a serious 2+2 table.

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This is from the table two nights ago, actually, not last night. Last night's table was definitely not serious. Sometimes 2+2 tables are serious, sometimes they're laggy. In general, the lagginess (or, rather, stupid play) increases as the number of 2+2ers increases. When you make a game and post about it, it's easy enough to request a serious A game where people show their hands and discuss the plays.

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This is from the table two nights ago, actually, not last night. Last night's table was definitely not serious. Sometimes 2+2 tables are serious, sometimes they're laggy. In general, the lagginess (or, rather, stupid play) increases as the number of 2+2ers increases. When you make a game and post about it, it's easy enough to request a serious A game where people show their hands and discuss the plays.

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My bad i still think it would be good to have a regular serious 2+2 game though.

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This is from the table two nights ago, actually, not last night. Last night's table was definitely not serious. Sometimes 2+2 tables are serious, sometimes they're laggy. In general, the lagginess (or, rather, stupid play) increases as the number of 2+2ers increases. When you make a game and post about it, it's easy enough to request a serious A game where people show their hands and discuss the plays.

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My bad i still think it would be good to have a regular serious 2+2 game though.

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I used to make them fairly frequently and prob will make another one tonight, even though I got destroyed in the last 2 ... hopefully my game will be back in full force

I think I like my river bet now, after thinking about the whole hand some more

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This is from the table two nights ago, actually, not last night. Last night's table was definitely not serious. Sometimes 2+2 tables are serious, sometimes they're laggy. In general, the lagginess (or, rather, stupid play) increases as the number of 2+2ers increases. When you make a game and post about it, it's easy enough to request a serious A game where people show their hands and discuss the plays.

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My bad i still think it would be good to have a regular serious 2+2 game though.

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I used to make them fairly frequently and prob will make another one tonight, even though I got destroyed in the last 2 ... hopefully my game will be back in full force

I think I like my river bet now, after thinking about the whole hand some more

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I got killed in the O8 game two nights ago but i was easily the biggest fish there. I would be in tonight if you get one going.