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Sure it is. While I work on finding the Wagner Act cites and NLRB decisions, tell us how many promises you or your unions made to win elections that you failed to keep. (Hint: if you say none, we'll know you're lying.)

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I learned from the start not to promise anything in terms of wages and benefits. I can and have promised that someone who signs a card or votes for the union will receive the things that are guaranteed in a collective agreement if one is reached. That includes at least a grievance procedure of some sort.

I would never promise something that is not a guarantee. First agreement negotiations are a bit tougher than once the CA has been around for a while so you never know what will happen during negotiations. I promise people at least they will have a kick at the can. Unlike now. Anyway, after all the anti-union tactics have been exhausted and the company sits down to negotiate in good faith I can't fathom a situation where an employee would be worse off than before. I've said before, it's a vote. If I come back with a contract that doesn't at least cover your dues (1 or 2 hours a month, tax deductible) plus 1 or 2% (or much more if that's the kicker), then vote against it. Simple.

The assertion that a union can do more during a unionizing campaign than the company is daft. I can't call a meeting on company time at the workplace and present my case, unlike management. I can't fire employees as an example knowing full well the impotence of the NLRB in getting them back to work. The campaign can be shut down that way. I am a salesman. I can hand out flyers and hold meetings (non-mandatory). I don't hold the intimidating power that the big boss possesses. If, even then, I manage to convince enough people to sign cards, showing clear support for unionizing, they still have to vote multiple times before a union is certified. The time for the anti-union company SWAT team to terrorize the employees is far too long. Even principle organizers within the plant can not talk about unionizing except on their breaks. God forbid that I even come close to company property.

I'd love to promise the moon. Some do it but it's just bad salemanship.

In solidarity, Hamish.

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Further more, the unions SHOULD have more power than the owners. The owners should be in fear of the union's ability to close their business. This way the workers are not exploited (at least as little as is possible since every worker is exploited under capitalism) and the owners get their profit margins.

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You might be an anti-capitalist if you believe this. I hope you don't live in the US.

Does the average liberal think like this? I would be really scared if they do.

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What's to prevent the company from firing them all? Nothing really.

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Maybe the competition?

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Those bastards probably only work 185 days a year too.

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Those bastards probably only work 185 days a year too.

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Yes, summers off naturally. And after 10 years of teaching they get tenure, which prevents them from ever being fired or layed off except for extreme cases (which never happen).

And when the next contract is up in 3-4 years, they will go on strike again if they dont get another large pay raise and increase in an already lucrative medical compensation package.

Again, a total detachment from reality due to "entitlement" syndrome that goes along with doling out confiscated taxpayer money.

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Imagine an electricians union. They screen who can get in. You have to have a level of expirience, pass tests, and prove you know what you are doing. You then have to be sponsored, bribe, be related to a member, or otherwise extort your way into the union

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FYP

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Those bastards probably only work 185 days a year too.

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Yes, summers off naturally. And after 10 years of teaching they get tenure, which prevents them from ever being fired or layed off except for extreme cases (which never happen).

And when the next contract is up in 3-4 years, they will go on strike again if they dont get another large pay raise and increase in an already lucrative medical compensation package.

Again, a total detachment from reality due to "entitlement" syndrome that goes along with doling out confiscated taxpayer money.

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My high school physics teacher choked another female teacher at one of the board of ed meetings and he was untouchable because of tenure. He also threatened to kill the principle.

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saw something on CNBC yesterday about GM job bank and how its costing them 750 million a yr now to keep people that shouldn't be employed by the company , but are because of the contracts with the unions, now it would be all fine and dandy if GM wasn't losing money but they are and their losses are only gonna grow larger.

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Are you really serious, The Jungle should be mandatory...you realize it was written by a socialist...wonder if he puts a good spin on unions.

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saw something on CNBC yesterday about GM job bank and how its costing them 750 million a yr now to keep people that shouldn't be employed by the company , but are because of the contracts with the unions, now it would be all fine and dandy if GM wasn't losing money but they are and their losses are only gonna grow larger.

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Then GM should've had a better idea of where their business was headed and negotiated a better contract. The contract was a mutual agreement willingly signed by both parties involved. Isn't that what capitalism is supposed to be about?