Re: royal draw - 100NL
 

Well sure. Even im not dumb enough to try to bluff 2 people out with a busted draw... and I make some pretty dumb moves. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

RESULTS
 

turn~$45 Jc
UTG checks, CO bets $50, i call, UTG folds

river Ah
CO pushes for $5, i obviously call.

he had Qc9c and we chop the pot

after co bets the turn and i call, UTG is getting 3:1 on his call.

pushing this turn seems like the best play, given that i have outs to the nuts and CO has no more money left. agree?

Re: royal draw - 100NL
 

He also has jacks, which give another two outs. I could see Villain pushing that turn with two pair to punish your missed turn card.

Re: royal draw - 100NL
 

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He also has jacks, which give another two outs. I could see Villain pushing that turn with two pair to punish your missed turn card.

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in this hand, it is wrong to assume that my jack and queen outs are any good.

Re: royal draw - 100NL
 

You are not going to win this pot unless you improve, in which case you are going to win regardless of whether UTG comes or not (discounting the idea that UTG has nut or K-high flush draw, which seems somewhat unlikely, but possible). You want as much money in the post as possible to make the draw more correct.

In reality, chances are low UTG has anything worth calling this anyway. In terms of EV, probably doesn't matter whether you call or fold here since CO is out of money. I don't care for a push though.

Re: royal draw - 100NL
 

It doesn't seem like anyone is trying to put CO on a hand and base your decision on that?

What hand takes that line that you think Hero should call against.

To me his line looks like trying to get sneaky with 88 on the flop. When that turn card comes that board is so nasty he now feels like he needs to protect it.

If he has 88 you're getting a little worse than 2:1 which makes the call close but wrong.

I don't know how anyone could put him on what he actually had there, the 2nd nut straight plus a flush draw but against that hand you're a 3:1 dog which makes the call wrong.

No matter how you slice UTGs play it still boils down to a fold. If he comes along it gives you better pot odds but eliminates a ton of your outs.

Re: RESULTS
 

His call subsidizes you, your call doesn't subsidize him.