Re: Turn
 

Does he know that getting cold called on that flop = bad if he doesn't actually have a King? I think so.

Re: K8s trips play along
 

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utg - the only white guy at the table. that means he's an honest player.

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It took me a minute to get past this quote without laughing. Back to the hand.

Re: Turn
 

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turn: K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img])

plans?

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I think a check-raise is in order. That 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is a holdem card if there ever was one, so I don't see MP taking a free card. He'll bet, so you need to define your hand and charge UTG with 2 BBs.

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I don't see MP betting unless he has a king. If two people check-coldcall a raise on the flop, I'm pretty sure one of them has a king. I lead the turn.

Re: Turn
 

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note: no, mp wouldn't collude like that to protect his friend's hand.

i thought for a second and decided to just call here. (mistake?). UTG coldcalls two which turned my head a little. UTG+1 laughs a little and then folds.

3 way on the turn for 8.75 big bets.

turn: K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img])

plans?

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bet out.

Re: Turn
 

If he has 10's we are drawing to 6 outs (3-2's and 3-8's)
but i agree to bet out. One is drawing so we cant let this get checked thru. I guess best case would be UTG with JQ and MP AQ but thats wishful thinking.

Re: Turn
 

while free cards are not your friend i think that the chance to face UTG with 2 is worth the chance this gets checked through.

River
 

my immediate thought on the flop was that utg either had a king (and since he limped utg would likely have a better kicker than mine) or has QJ. MP may or may not have a king, but i know for sure he's not going to bet the turn without one after being coldcalled in two spots.

so this turn looks like a pretty easy bet.

i bet. utg calls. mp folds.

river

two choices

a) what do you do with the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ?

K K T 2 9

b) what do you do with the 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]?

K K T 2 3

Re: River
 

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utg - the only white guy at the table. that means he's an honest player. from what i can tell, he plays decently but is too loose preflop


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Looks like this is an easy bet-fold in both cases, no?

Re: River
 

I throw up in my mouth if the 9 falls. I probably check call because the pot's too big for me to take a chance that I have him outkicked or he's hanging around with a big T. The reason for this is I really can't value bet this hand now knowing I'm highly likely dead and I don't want to pay a bet to fold. I figure I might get him to bluff at the pot if I check and I win an extra bet on those rare occasions I'm ahead. The other times it checks through and I'm relieved when the pot gets pushed my way. Check folding is not an option.

I bet/ fold if the 3 falls. Since he's white he must have KT.

Re: River
 

if we accept that he definitely has either a K with a better kicker of QJ than you should c/f the 9 and c/c the 3.

otherwise... i b/f the 9. it's slim, but if villain does not have QJ and has a worse hand he's called two streets with he's not betting here but he might call one more.

if the three comes off c/c... still seems better as whiffed draws aren't calling, but may sometimes make a desperation bet. although i can see the same argument for b/f as with the 9.

all that said... given the way this hand played out... i'm having trouble putting villain on enough non QJ and Kx (where x is higher than 8) to make me think my original assertion isn't best. other than it feels weak.