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I'm not sure if I understand; why not ditch it preflop?

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I'm not sure if I understand; why not ditch it preflop?

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Are you serious?

Re: clangs
 

Raising the turn is not really believable. We checked the flop and now the 4 comes off. That couldn't have helped our hand. Villian may call and lead a blank river, thinking we have overcards/a busted bdflush.

Also, villian may have a made hand. Raising the turn commits us to 2 bets. If villian calls the turn raise, we have to guess whether or not he was on a draw. We may fire another bet at the river, only to find out he had a made hand. However, if we call the turn bet, and villian leads the river, we can fold, and our play costs 1 bet. If he checks, we can now steal this pot at a greater success rate than the turn raise. This is especially true if a high card comes off on the river.

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go deeper into the hand.
1. desribe your opponnent
2. describe his state of mind
3. describe some previous hands you played with him
4. what is your current image in the game
5. are you winning or losing at this point
6. is your opponennt winning or losing
7. what were his mannerisms on the turn when he bet; something must have told you he didn't have it and to call there.
8. is he type to bet with bad hands and check with good hands
9. Is he the type that never checkraises and this is the reason why you bet?

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This post was awful. And i like tommy's posts. Cmon at least give some reasoning or something. I can talk about big Ace high calls i made (in NL), but noone cares unless there is a specific (and good) reason for the play. I really would like these 9 questions to be answered.

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I'm not sure if I understand; why not ditch it preflop?

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No way. Not in a 5-handed game with an UTG limper and a likely tight/solid image. This hand can be played profitably here.

Re: clangs
 

it's as if some people responding to tommy's posts have spent zero time sitting at a poker table and studying how a game can flow, and all their time in some realm where poker rules and strategies exist, but the game is never actually played against thinking opponents.

it's a lot harder for a bluff to work when it sticks out like a sore thumb.

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im with you on this one tommy.

couple weeks ago. i have 64o in the bb mirage 20-40 short handed new game. sb doesnt chop. folded to him he raises, i call. the flop is KQ3, he bets, i call. the turn is a Q. he checks, i bet, he folds.

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I hope Tommy's critics read his post carefully. Each paragraph.

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I hope Tommy's critics read his post carefully. Each paragraph.

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tommy has critics?



anyways, i think calling the turn is much better than raising it.