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I know who you meant ... but I can't believe that anyone really believes that anyone would be bothered to get a free copy of one of the best non-2+2 books on the market signed by one of the more famous faces of poker.

Nonsensical.

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Getting a stack of "I'm Better Than You" and "You're Not In My League" together for his next event -- calm down, calm down, it will be at a buddy's house so it will be taken in good spirits

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although some people might not want the book, having it autographed from the author, Plus the story of how you got it makes it cool IMO. I haven't read the book, but it looks more like a nice coffee table book than a poker player must have.

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although some people might not want the book, having it autographed from the author, Plus the story of how you got it makes it cool IMO. I haven't read the book, but it looks more like a nice coffee table book than a poker player must have.


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Well Put

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Some may be bothered by it.

The gesture could be interpreted as somewhat condescending toward his opponent. Not all poker players are "poker fans", nor do all people seek out autographs or contact with psuedo-celebrities.

But you are probably right, most people like getting the book. That does not mean the gesture is not a bit presumptuous.

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Some may be bothered by it.

The gesture could be interpreted as somewhat condescending toward his opponent. Not all poker players are "poker fans", nor do all people seek out autographs or contact with psuedo-celebrities.

But you are probably right, most people like getting the book. That does not mean the gesture is not a bit presumptuous.

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I think the distinction between who would be bothered by it and who would like to have the autographed book is similar to a professional football player signing an autograph for a fan in the stands after the game versus signing an autograph for a player on the other team while shaking hands after the game (in a losing effort).

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Some may be bothered by it.

The gesture could be interpreted as somewhat condescending toward his opponent. Not all poker players are "poker fans", nor do all people seek out autographs or contact with psuedo-celebrities.

But you are probably right, most people like getting the book. That does not mean the gesture is not a bit presumptuous.

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I think the distinction between who would be bothered by it and who would like to have the autographed book is similar to a professional football player signing an autograph for a fan in the stands after the game versus signing an autograph for a player on the other team while shaking hands after the game (in a losing effort).

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Well, let's be fair - any random poker fan can make it to play against Barry, but if you're playing in the NFL or something, you're good enough that another player proclaiming that his autograph would be valuable to you is a little more insulting.

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I think the distinction between who would be bothered by it and who would like to have the autographed book is similar to a professional football player signing an autograph for a fan in the stands after the game versus signing an autograph for a player on the other team while shaking hands after the game (in a losing effort).

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If the other team consists of people that paid $10,000 to play in that event, then you are correct, as much of the WSOP and these larger events amounts to Football Fantasy Camp. Yes, anyone can compete against the Phil Ivey's of the world on par closer than, say, Random Guy against Tiger Woods -- but there is still a huge distinction between a vast majority of poker players (even those that play in the large events) and those that are A-List poker players like Barry is.

I can plunk down my money and play in every event that Barry does, and I can very easily seeing myself in a position to be able to knock him out - or anyone out - of said event, but it doesn't mean that I consider myself on par with him ... nor would I be bothered if he gave me an autographed book.

Thinking this is anything other than a very cool gesture is ludicrous, especially when a number of the top players are prone to hysterical exits crying about bad beats. Here we have someone doing something gentlemanly and some are looking for ulterior motives.

Amazing.

Perhaps some would prefer Barry, upon being eliminated from a tournament, writing up an article about why his opponent is an idiot and then having CardPlayer publish it.

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I think the distinction between who would be bothered by it and who would like to have the autographed book is similar to a professional football player signing an autograph for a fan in the stands after the game versus signing an autograph for a player on the other team while shaking hands after the game (in a losing effort).

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If the other team consists of people that paid $10,000 to play in that event, then you are correct, as much of the WSOP and these larger events amounts to Football Fantasy Camp. Yes, anyone can compete against the Phil Ivey's of the world on par closer than, say, Random Guy against Tiger Woods -- but there is still a huge distinction between a vast majority of poker players (even those that play in the large events) and those that are A-List poker players like Barry is.

I can plunk down my money and play in every event that Barry does, and I can very easily seeing myself in a position to be able to knock him out - or anyone out - of said event, but it doesn't mean that I consider myself on par with him ... nor would I be bothered if he gave me an autographed book.

Thinking this is anything other than a very cool gesture is ludicrous, especially when a number of the top players are prone to hysterical exits crying about bad beats. Here we have someone doing something gentlemanly and some are looking for ulterior motives.

Amazing.

Perhaps some would prefer Barry, upon being eliminated from a tournament, writing up an article about why his opponent is an idiot and then having CardPlayer publish it.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

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If you ever end up at the same table as Barry in a big tournament, you are going to get killed. Not because he is that much better than you, but because you will have such a hard time seeing your cards because your head will be too far up his butt.

Sorry - that was harsh. Don't worship him - he is just a guy that plays poker very well. If you are awestruck then you will not be able to play a decent game and you will get run over.

You call him giving an autographed book a gentlemanly gesture, but I call it ego.

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You call him giving an autographed book a gentlemanly gesture, but I call it ego.

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It is neither. How have we gone this whole thread without anyone pointing out that this is obviously just marketing?

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If you ever end up at the same table as Barry in a big tournament, you are going to get killed. Not because he is that much better than you, but because you will have such a hard time seeing your cards because your head will be too far up his butt.

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Temp, how you could take what I wrote and put your own personal bias on it is beyond me. I personally don't care who I play against (whether it is Barry Greenstein or people who have had their spot on WPT) but I am a realist in that (a) I know Barry is a better player than me but, most importantly, (b) he is far more famous than I am, which was my sole point.

But I'm not on par with him skill wise; you aren't either. Let's get a reality check.


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Sorry - that was harsh. Don't worship him - he is just a guy that plays poker very well. If you are awestruck then you will not be able to play a decent game and you will get run over..

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Temp, I don't care about your personal problems, whatever they may be, but, again, if you took something I wrote as me worshipping Barry or being awe-struck by him, you are clueless. My point was clear and if you don't get it (or it personally offends you) there is no reason for nonsensical personal attacks.


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You call him giving an autographed book a gentlemanly gesture, but I call it ego.

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And I call it jealousy on your part, evidenced by your apparent personal dislike of Barry for whatever reason. There are many poker pro's that are far from exemplary people, perhaps your venom would be best suited for them.

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