Re: 10/20NL. UGLY RIVER. HE MOVES IN.
 

Would anyone consider calling the river if he had the Q of clubs in his hand?

Re: 10/20NL. UGLY RIVER. HE MOVES IN.
 

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Would anyone consider calling the river if he had the Q of clubs in his hand?

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Re: 10/20NL. UGLY RIVER. HE MOVES IN.
 

heres another question...
WHAT THE FVCK DOES THIS GUY HAVE?

Re: 10/20NL. UGLY RIVER. HE MOVES IN.
 

you have essentially the same hand against this type of bet with the Qc as a straight. The only way it helps to have the Qc is if he is 'bluffing' with a little club.

Re: 10/20NL. UGLY RIVER. HE MOVES IN.
 

It's either a really great bluff or the AcTx, I would fold and keep the chips for a better time.

Re: 10/20NL. UGLY RIVER. HE MOVES IN.
 

I fold immediately. He's got the Ac.

Re: 10/20NL. UGLY RIVER. HE MOVES IN.
 

disagree.

Re: WTF
 

At higher levels of the game where both players are tough sometimes people will value bet a non-Ac like this using your logic. If the opponent assumes you can only move in with Ac or a bluff then they will consider a call with a medium club or, as our hero is, considering a call with a straight. Then a good player can effectively value bet a Kc, Qc, or even worse like this. When it works it is a beautiful sight... a poker orgasm. But when you run into the nuts you look like an idiot and no poker love for you.

-Jason

Re: WTF
 

Thanks, SI Super Star. I know that play would be what you referred to as the 4th level of overbetting in your really good post from before. But how often do you think you are seeing that here? Doesn't it seem much more likely to be the third level of nuts or nothing? I don't play in these games, so I don't know, but unless the guy is really fantastic it just seems like a really weird play with, say, the 8 of clubs. I guess it could be a 2-way bet...

Re: WTF
 

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Most people are never moving in here without the Ac.


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It seems to me like this kinda hits the nail on the head. He has the nuts. Or no club. Right? I can't see any reason to move in unless he has no club or the nuts. And it doesn't really seem like he has the nuts 2/3 of the time here. Maybe I'm nuts...

[/ QUOTE ]i think good players are moving in here with some other clubs as well some of the time.

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