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The appointments of John Ashcroft, Condi Rice, Michael Brown and Chertoff tells us Bush ain't a very good judge of competency.

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He doesn't care much about competency, he cares about loyalty and ideology. As a transparently insecure (I hope no one thinks those derogatory nicknames he gives out spring from charm), and mentally weak president, he wants hear no evil, see no evil, and speak no evil people surrounding him.

And he is lucky to have a core of supporters who are equally blind to any of his flaws, a number of whom are active posters here.

Is he the worst president of the 20/21st century, probably, but the fact that this question comes up and is seriously debated about his presidency (and he has 3 more years), is indicative that many realize he is quite bad.

Frank

You guys are being too harsh on Bush.
 

After all he only does what Dick and Karl tell him to do.

Re: Is GW Bush the Worst President Ever?
 

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Let's compare:

90s/Clinton: robust economy, low poverty, low unemployment, booming stock market, no major wars, military operations led to nearly no casualties, budget surplus, tax cuts for middle class, relatively effective congress that got some good work done, low crime, etc.

Yes, he committed adultery. No question there.

00s/Bush: worst terrorist attack in history of our country (after reading a memo that specifically warned of it), horrible economy, monster national debt, lowest approval ratings for a President in decades, seriously divided nation, ineffective tax cuts, cutthroat politics (smearing John McCain? Unconscionable), criminal Chief of Staff, ineffective war entered into under false pretenses, rising oil prices (before Katrina), etc. Also, Kanye West said it best "George Bush doesn't care about black people."

Frankly, I am truly amazed when seemingly rational people think that GWB is a good president. He may be a man of good character and a nice guy, Broken Glass Can, but he is, taking all the evidence objectively, unquestionably one of the worst presidents in the history of this nation.

Thread over.

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....now, now, now....Let me use a famous Ronald Reagan line:

"There you go again"...only this time let me add.......

....."bringing objective observations into a political discussion and upsetting someones self indulgent ideological fantasy".

tsk....tsk....tsk

Re: Is GW Bush the Worst President Ever?
 

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Perhaps we should restrict the question to "Is GW Bush the worst president of the 20th/21st centuries"...

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Bush is too mediocre to be the worst. It takes a special type of achiever to be the worst.

In the 20th Century, FDR and Wilson each killed a LOT more Americans than Bush has, and they caused a lot more economic damage.

All time, it's not even close. Lincoln is far and away the worst. Just look at the number of people he killed. If that's not enough, look at his economic policies - central banking, fiat currency, and high tarrifs. His wartime policies are repugnant - conscription, institutionalized pillaging. The civil war was a war of conquest, a war incompatible with the ideals of the Declaration of Independence. Lincoln ushered in the era of big government, and singlehandedly paved the way for US imperialism.

Re: Is GW Bush the Worst President Ever?
 

As it stands Gdubs is the second worst after Andrew Johnson, but its getting closer every day.

Re: Is GW Bush the Worst President Ever?
 

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Bush is too mediocre to be the worst. It takes a special type of achiever to be the worst.

In the 20th Century, FDR and Wilson each killed a LOT more Americans than Bush has, and they caused a lot more economic damage.

All time, it's not even close. Lincoln is far and away the worst. Just look at the number of people he killed. If that's not enough, look at his economic policies - central banking, fiat currency, and high tarrifs. His wartime policies are repugnant - conscription, institutionalized pillaging. The civil war was a war of conquest, a war incompatible with the ideals of the Declaration of Independence. Lincoln ushered in the era of big government, and singlehandedly paved the way for US imperialism.

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This post was not clever, try again.

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GWB is both the best and worst President of the 21st century. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: Is GW Bush the Worst President Ever?
 

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Let's compare:

90s/Clinton: robust economy, low poverty, low unemployment, booming stock market, no major wars, military operations led to nearly no casualties, budget surplus, tax cuts for middle class, relatively effective congress that got some good work done, low crime, etc.

Yes, he committed adultery. No question there.

00s/Bush: worst terrorist attack in history of our country (after reading a memo that specifically warned of it), horrible economy, monster national debt, lowest approval ratings for a President in decades, seriously divided nation, ineffective tax cuts, cutthroat politics (smearing John McCain? Unconscionable), criminal Chief of Staff, ineffective war entered into under false pretenses, rising oil prices (before Katrina), etc. Also, Kanye West said it best "George Bush doesn't care about black people."

Frankly, I am truly amazed when seemingly rational people think that GWB is a good president. He may be a man of good character and a nice guy, Broken Glass Can, but he is, taking all the evidence objectively, unquestionably one of the worst presidents in the history of this nation.

Thread over.

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Clinton knew about the terrorist before Bush.
Clinton was the one who set up the internet bubble burst.
Clinton escalated the Bosnian war.

I dont know if Bush is the worst president, of even if he is a terrible one, I, personally truly do not think you can decide that until you are looking at it in hindsight. The fact is, he has had one of the "hardest" presidencies in a long time, Clinton had nothing major to deal with, other than how to take over and keep the success going from the previous couple of presidents, and yet he still managed to screw that up by screwing a fat chick in the oval office.




Im jsut being devil's advocate here, I liked Clinton, he was good people, but you can not possibly say he had anywhere near as a stressful presidency as Bush.

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This post was not clever, try again.

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This post was not clever. You could have at least used any amount of fact to discredit what he said; instead, you just said it wasn't clever. Next time, back up whatever you are saying, try again.

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You could have at least used any amount of fact to discredit what he said

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Point taken.