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scalf 04-20-2003 07:52 AM

Re: Hand To Talk About
 
ok, i feel call good...overlay..and mason is outstanding player after flop..

flop..i like bet..10-9 suited corrolary???

turn..check raise indicates strength..?made flush? KQ?
opponent calls..opp have middle pair?...High flush draw??

river...does bet winn against middle pair...nah, would he have called ckraise on turn with middle pair??...maybe 10s,10?..
maybe get call from AJ???..i guess i'd a checked???where is advantage of bet...crying call and/or opp not calling with higher pair than 44??..or maybe something else???gl [img]/forums/images/icons/blush.gif[/img]

Jeffage 04-20-2003 09:40 AM

Re: Hand To Talk About
 
This is an easy (IMO) defend of the BB in this spot. You fold 54o and play 54s...the hand has two ways to win, a flush or str8. This is taken right out of HPFAP.

Jeff

Herb N. 04-20-2003 10:12 AM

Re: Hand To Talk About
 
Ya gatta alot of reponses,and I didn't read em,,,But great players Can enter pots with poor holdings against this type of player{who must have had J/J ,or 10/10}sometimes you hit your hand[4/5]and win,sometimes overcards come and he mucks.What a country. [img]/forums/images/icons/wink.gif[/img] HFPWC!

magic_man 04-20-2003 03:25 PM

What do you put him on?
 
A lot of people are suggesting AJ, probably with a spade. There's little chance he is holding that; Mason said he was playing conservatively, so unless the guy has suddenly started tilting, he is not going to raise two preflop limpers with AJ, and it's unlikely he will raise the flop either. I think it's much more likely that he holds an underpair to Q's. JJ, TT, 99 (less likely) make sense, all with a spade. OTOH, if he is playing conservatively, can he really be that excited about the Jack flush with 4 spades on board? Did he really fold AQ?

Mason, what do you put him on? Is this the type of opponent who will fold AsQ on the river, or did he call the turn with a pocket pair and fold when the flush missed? We need more info on this guy.

~Magic_Man

Mason Malmuth 04-21-2003 12:51 AM

Re: Hand To Talk About
 
Hi Prince:

From HPFAP:

We generally do not recommend that you call raises in the big blind with a hand like 5[img]/forums/images/icons/club.gif[/img]4[img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img]. If this hand was suited then the call would be okay. But for these calls to be profitable, you usually need at least two ways to win. When the above hand is suited you have the two ways — a straight and a flush. But when it is not suited, there are not enough ways to come out on top. If your cards were higher, usually nine-eight or better, then you might be able to win if you flop a draw, miss it, but make a pair after the flop. Thus a call would now be correct since it is much easier to win the pot with something like a pair of nines than a pair of fives. To call with a small unsuited connecting hand you need to be against weak players who will not extract the maximum from you when you flop a draw, but who will frequently pay off if you make something.

Hope that helps.

Best wishes,
Mason

Mason Malmuth 04-21-2003 12:53 AM

Re: Hand To Talk About
 
Hi again Prince:

Notice that in this hand my having the lead position actually helped me.

Best wishes,
Mason

Mason Malmuth 04-21-2003 12:55 AM

Re: Hand To Talk About
 
Hi Glen:

I agree. The possibility of a limp reraise is way over rated by many players. It only rarely happens in my games.

Best wishes,
Mason

Mason Malmuth 04-21-2003 12:57 AM

Re: Hand To Talk About
 
Hi Prince:

I also agree here. If limp-reraise is common, this hand should probably be folded. But based on my experience, it is quite rare.

Best wishes,
Mason

Mason Malmuth 04-21-2003 12:58 AM

Re: Hand To Talk About
 
Hi Mike:

I never saw his hand so I don't know. Yes, if raised on the river I have to fold.

Best wishes,
Mason

Mason Malmuth 04-21-2003 12:59 AM

Re: Hand To Talk About
 
Hi Tyler:

Your question is answered in one of my posts above.

Best wishes,
Mason


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