Re: A much bigger issue?
 

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Why do you think folding is the right play? It's not.

Think a little more, apply Bay's theorum a little more. amd read hands a little more, and you'll see why.

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i dont know...its close, but not an altogether call lestat. villian checked the flop after 3betting preflop out of the blinds. you very very rarely see the hand he actually had do this. its mostly either JJ or something thats scared or AA thats lookin for some action.

-Barron

Re: 10-20 live hand Harrahs New Orleans
 

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He probably has AK or even AA

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Why would a solid player 3-bet AA on the turn here?

Lawrence

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b/c hero showed enough strength to warrant it and it gives the sb a chance to cap and lead the river. those bets garnered from the fish more than make up for the 1 or 2bbs lost by isolating out the hero.

Barron

Re: 10-20 live hand Harrahs New Orleans
 

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Turbo-mucking is a terrible play. Think a little.

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Didnt really read the player descriptions and didnt notice hero raised from the cutoff. By the way not crazy about your "think a little" comment. But I'll bite my tounge I guess.

Also if the BB is rock tight and not capable of making a move or getting fancy this very well might be a fold. The fact that the turn two better is an aggro fish is what makes it a interesting spot.

Edited because I decided not to call you an [censored] in so many words.

Re: 10-20 live hand Harrahs New Orleans
 

contrary to the results, if you fold here you aren't giving up all that much.

I'd probable fold here close to 100% of the time.

Re: A much bigger issue?
 

Yeah, but there's an ace on board and OP has one in his hand. Yeah, he COULD have AA, but you can't fear it in this big of a pot. OP also said bb might've been tilting. I'm not folding.

Re: 10-20 live hand Harrahs New Orleans
 

lol-

I didn't mean anything personal by "think a little". I just wanted to point out that people who are saying this is an easy fold are not thinking enough about the hand, the board, and OP's description of the players. (is that better?).

OP has an ace, there was an ace on the flop, and the board now reads: A446 with a possible flush draw. While AA or AK are possible, they should not be too great a concern.

OP also mentions the bb might be steaming. This certainly isn't an auto-fold and I'm not sure I'd ever fold here.

Re: result
 

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i was obviously ahead when i folded; (though i would have lost to the river).


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The 2 was counterfeited by the board pair.

Re: result
 

flush was made on the river...though that obviously has nothing to do with whether the fold was good or not [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

though i still think it was ok

Re: 10-20 live hand Harrahs New Orleans
 

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lol-

I didn't mean anything personal by "think a little". I just wanted to point out that people who are saying this is an easy fold are not thinking enough about the hand, the board, and OP's description of the players. (is that better?).

OP has an ace, there was an ace on the flop, and the board now reads: A446 with a possible flush draw. While AA or AK are possible, they should not be too great a concern.

OP also mentions the bb might be steaming. This certainly isn't an auto-fold and I'm not sure I'd ever fold here.

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Yeah I got ya. After I read your post and reread his post, looking at his position and player descriptions, I did realize I was wrong in my first response. I probably shouldnt get pissed at you for pointing it out.

Re: 10-20 live hand Harrahs New Orleans
 

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This was the highest stake limit game I'd ever played.

I'm in the Cut off with AsQc. Two limpers to me and I raise to 20.

Small Blind- Terrible player; any ace; any suited calls.

Big Blind- Solid player- I've only seen him show good hands down; but he seems to be steaming quite a bit after getting chased down by garbage a couple of hands recently- 3 bets

2 limpers fold.

I call 1 more; SB calls

Flop- Ah 4c 4d
checked to me; I bet; both call

Turn- 6h

checked to me;

I bet
SB raises
BB 3 bets
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yeah.

i was surprised by the results.

SB called

river was a 2h; check bet check

SB shows A 2 off suit

BB shows Ah Jh

I put in about 10 total hours at the 10-20 game there and it played practically like a 2/4 online table


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You've got the Ace of hearts appearing twice in this hand and it could make a difference, especially if one of the 4's on the flop was, instead, a heart. Was the eventual winning hand a flush or two pair? The possibility of someone having top pair and a flush draw on the turn could make a difference in what you want to do on the turn, or at least what you have in mind as to what your opponents have on the turn.

-WT