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andyfox 08-05-2005 11:41 PM

Thanks n/t
 
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Philuva 08-06-2005 01:07 AM

Re: Wynn 150-300 -- I hate limit hold\'em
 
I much prefer to bet the turn here after the flop action.
1. Some better hands will fold.
2. If he is drawing to a flush as well, it hides your hand better and you can get more bets in on the river if you both hit. Plus you get the bet in now vs. hoping he will bluff the river.
3. Given the strength you shown, it will be difficult for him to CR the turn w/o a monster, so you can take the free showdown if he calls the turn, which I assume once he calls the turn any better hand than yours unimproved will call the river so betting again on the end seems pointless.
4. If he does CR the turn you have plenty of outs to improve.

Either way, if you are going to play the flop the way you did you need to bet the turn. Otherwise, just call the flop 3B and raise the turn.

PokerBob 08-06-2005 01:12 AM

Re: Wynn 150-300 -- I hate limit hold\'em
 
IMO the turn check exposes your hand.

jayheaps 08-06-2005 01:28 AM

Re: Wynn 150-300 -- I hate limit hold\'em
 
is it the WSOP winner I am thinking of? the fat kid from virginia?

Duke 08-06-2005 04:24 AM

Re: Wynn 150-300 -- I hate limit hold\'em
 
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IMO the turn check exposes your hand.

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It exposes it as a flush draw, but the paired 5 could easily be good. So, it doesn't really expose it.

~D

jediael 08-06-2005 09:00 AM

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I think a much better line here is to just call his flop 3 bet and then to raise him on the turn. Now he might actually fold something.

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catlover 08-06-2005 11:17 AM

Re: Wynn 150-300 -- I hate limit hold\'em
 
Gab --

I think you played this correctly on every street. The turn check is mandatory because your hand is weak, given your flop play. The river call is mandatory because you wouldn't exactly want to fold to something like 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] would you?

The flop is somewhat interesting. The fact that he has seen you seen you play some flush draws fast is a reason to slow down here -- i.e. to stop at two bets. Now if the flush comes he is likely to figure you don't have it.

That said the fact that you have a pair to go with your draw, and the fact that he once check/raised you and folded to a 3-bet (albeit on a paired flop) are both reasons to play it the way you did. On balance I think your play is right.

stoxtrader 08-06-2005 01:11 PM

Re: Wynn 150-300 -- I hate limit hold\'em
 
I agree, i overestimated the chance gab could get a better hand to laydown with a turn and river bet. I think that is very very unlikely and not worth getting check raised on the turn plus sacrificing the times you unduce a bluff on the river from a worse hand.

J.A.Sucker 08-06-2005 01:27 PM

Re: Wynn 150-300 -- I hate limit hold\'em
 
You played the hand great. I can't see any problems with it. You should tell them the story about you playing "NL" in this game thought. It's better.

08-06-2005 04:23 PM

Re: Wynn 150-300 -- I hate limit hold\'em
 
I know you're busy running the twoplustwo machine (and I thank you for that because your books have made me money) but I'd bet many of us are ready for the next Mason book. Any plans?


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