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How many college grads really contribute to the betterment of human kind?

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All of them that work. Those that invest their earnings contribute twice. Productive work betters everyone.

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Very few people have the talent to really make a difference to humanity, and most college grads are thinking about making bucks, not improving society.

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Making bucks *is* improving society. Well, "earning" bucks, engaging in transactions, increasing GDP. Playing poker doesn't create wealth, it only transfers it. This discussion has played out about 400x before.

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parents should not be proud of this, that doesnt mean college kids shouldnt play poker, but if i dropped out of college to play poker professionally unless i become incredibly rich (making 200K a year is not rich) i would view my life as a failure in many ways.

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Why would becoming 'incredibly rich' playing poker make any difference to the merits of the activity? And I'm guessing your criteria for 'incredibly rich' excludes all living poker players, or what can be made playing poker.

And all this piffle about contributing to society....

How many college grads really contribute to the betterment of human kind?

Very few people have the talent to really make a difference to humanity, and most college grads are thinking about making bucks, not improving society.

If you can make a living playing poker and that floats your boat, is that any worse than grinding it out as a miserable mid-level manager/executive for some multinational?

And yes, Bush proves you can underachieve your whole life, and still become the 'leader of the free world.' To which I reply - the first rule of ethical conduct is "do no harm." [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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your post doesnt make much sense. where did i say contributing to mankind? and when i said incredibly rich, i meant if i could have enough money to do whatever i wanted. 200k a year is a ton of money, but it is not wealth. playing poker just doesnt float my boat, i never said it shouldnt for everybody.

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If I had a kid i wouldn't let them drop out to play poker. in fact my parents won't let me drop out and play poker. but the difference between me and my parents is that if my kid wanted to play poker proffesionally after college i'd be down

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Really? Maybe thats why you don't have any children, because you view them as "things" to have control over and not individuals to shape into better people. I love my parents very much not only for the morals and values that they instilled in me, but for the freedom and support that they gave me in all aspects of my life. I paid for college 100%, which is why the choice was mine and mine alone. If you watch the coverage and/or read the newspaper articles that have been written on the subject, you will see that my mother was always somewhat against the notion of me "gambling" for a living, but over time grew to understand that it was a viable career choice, and one that I exhibited proficient skill at to be successful at a high level. This is what good parents do: they SUPPORT even if they are not fully convinced themselves, because they trust that the way they raised their child will help him/her make the correct decisions in life, and that he/she will have to learn from mistakes made in life.

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kids are stupid. you sound naive.

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If I had a kid i wouldn't let them drop out to play poker. in fact my parents won't let me drop out and play poker. but the difference between me and my parents is that if my kid wanted to play poker proffesionally after college i'd be down

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Really? Maybe thats why you don't have any children, because you view them as "things" to have control over and not individuals to shape into better people. I love my parents very much not only for the morals and values that they instilled in me, but for the freedom and support that they gave me in all aspects of my life. I paid for college 100%, which is why the choice was mine and mine alone. If you watch the coverage and/or read the newspaper articles that have been written on the subject, you will see that my mother was always somewhat against the notion of me "gambling" for a living, but over time grew to understand that it was a viable career choice, and one that I exhibited proficient skill at to be successful at a high level. This is what good parents do: they SUPPORT even if they are not fully convinced themselves, because they trust that the way they raised their child will help him/her make the correct decisions in life, and that he/she will have to learn from mistakes made in life.

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I suspect you'll be a bit surprised at how difficult this is, Gamble, after you have children. It is extraordinarily difficult to repress articulating the decisions you would make if you were in your child's shoes; it is much harder to remember that making memorable mistakes helps a child how to learn to make correct decisions down the road. More difficult still is the remembrance of your child as a powerless newborn, without any capacity for decisionmaking: that first impression is at times deucedly difficult to overcome.

I would like to think that I would universally support my childrens' career choices, as you suggest.

All that said, I heartily applaud your mom's support of your prop betting career. Without it, I might well be about $500 poorer. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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If I had a kid i wouldn't let them drop out to play poker. in fact my parents won't let me drop out and play poker. but the difference between me and my parents is that if my kid wanted to play poker proffesionally after college i'd be down

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Really? Maybe thats why you don't have any children, because you view them as "things" to have control over and not individuals to shape into better people. I love my parents very much not only for the morals and values that they instilled in me, but for the freedom and support that they gave me in all aspects of my life. I paid for college 100%, which is why the choice was mine and mine alone. If you watch the coverage and/or read the newspaper articles that have been written on the subject, you will see that my mother was always somewhat against the notion of me "gambling" for a living, but over time grew to understand that it was a viable career choice, and one that I exhibited proficient skill at to be successful at a high level. This is what good parents do: they SUPPORT even if they are not fully convinced themselves, because they trust that the way they raised their child will help him/her make the correct decisions in life, and that he/she will have to learn from mistakes made in life.

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kids are stupid. you sound naive.

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Based on this exchange, Gamble sounds substantially more articulate and perceptive than you, sir.

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Does ESPN have a similar responsibility to document the huge number of HS kids and college students who delusionally believe that they will make it as a professional athlete and don't bother study enought to get the free education that they "won't need"?

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Education can help aspiring poker players quite a bit. I'd much rather try to become proficient in poker with strong backgrounds in math and English than try to succeed at poker without those skills. Moreover, if someone is poorly educated, and doesn't have much experience and knowledge when it comes to studying, it will be much more difficult for that person to pick up poker books and learn the game. Philosophy can be helpful as well, and there may be some other useful subjects that I haven't thought of yet.

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what is unreasonable about my posts in this thread?

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parents should not be proud of this, that doesnt mean college kids shouldnt play poker, but if i dropped out of college to play poker professionally unless i become incredibly rich (making 200K a year is not rich) i would view my life as a failure in many ways.

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why?

I have a degree in accounting and I hate my career. I couldn't care less about my degree, because I'm not happy in my career choice. If playing poker makes you happy and it allows you to live the way you want to, that's good enough for me [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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you a CPA? i have to decide my degree pretty soon. thinking about accounting and being a CPA. why don't you like it? they had this presentation in my accounting class, it said that accounting majors make the most money straight out of college then any other major.

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Probably because, you know, working sucks. But I don't know.

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Ok because the average US worker makes around $40,000 per year. Horray college.

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Lets not forget the parents footing that bill or the students themselves paying back thos loans for 10 years to get out of debt in their effort to "get ahead"

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parents should not be proud of this, that doesnt mean college kids shouldnt play poker, but if i dropped out of college to play poker professionally unless i become incredibly rich (making 200K a year is not rich) i would view my life as a failure in many ways.

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Why would becoming 'incredibly rich' playing poker make any difference to the merits of the activity? And I'm guessing your criteria for 'incredibly rich' excludes all living poker players, or what can be made playing poker.

And all this piffle about contributing to society....

How many college grads really contribute to the betterment of human kind?

Very few people have the talent to really make a difference to humanity, and most college grads are thinking about making bucks, not improving society.

If you can make a living playing poker and that floats your boat, is that any worse than grinding it out as a miserable mid-level manager/executive for some multinational?

And yes, Bush proves you can underachieve your whole life, and still become the 'leader of the free world.' To which I reply - the first rule of ethical conduct is "do no harm." [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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your post doesnt make much sense. where did i say contributing to mankind? and when i said incredibly rich, i meant if i could have enough money to do whatever i wanted. 200k a year is a ton of money, but it is not wealth. playing poker just doesnt float my boat, i never said it shouldnt for everybody.

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So you don't like poker enough to do it for a living, and poker won't earn you enough money to make you 'incredibly rich,' is that the gist of what you are saying?

Frank