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actually i relooked at it and changed my mind
i would do the same on the turn (trying to make an extra bet from an idiot calling with some crap that he doesnt realize don't help him)

on river, if checked to, i bet. if he bets, i fold

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I think it would depend on how many hands I had on the LAP read. If it was over 100 I definitely bet here. If not I probably take the free card and cuss under my breath as I call the river bet. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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This is probably a case where you should bet the turn in a big pot and check in a small pot. If he doesn't have a pocket/QJ/QT/JT he is drawing dead to a split. So if the pot were 15 BB, you would like for him to fold his T9 since he 7 outs to a chop and should call you if he knew what you had.

The flop raise is also pretty silly IMO for the same reason. If he has something like T9 or T8 and is drawing super thin, just let him keep betting at the pot. You don't want him to fold a 2-outer on the flop in a small pot. And since he isn't going to fold a better hand here, the only thing a raise does is weed out the hands that have no shot. Again this is okay when the pot is big, but it is better to just let him keep betting when the pot is small.

Side note: If you had 32 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] then a flop raise makes more sense. He would be making a mistake if he folds Q9 or 87 or whatever.

Brad

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I think I mostly see your point, but, for the sake of debate, what about trying to fold 55? Do you just not see him folding that at all?

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***Less Experienced [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

After cussing at the screen I would probably bet again on the turn and fold to a raise or check behind on the river.

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bets. if there's ever a counterfitted pocket pair, this is it.

I would show this hand down.

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I don't like the flop raise - you're rarely getting a free card on this board. Since you did, you should definitely take it and call the river. If your Q high is good he's drawing dead.

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Shadow is right, HU that Flop raise is about more than a free card. Villian raised pre-flop and I just called. HU that's an invitation for him to bet anything here. Given the texture of the flop it is less likely that he has hit anything(only 5 cards he can have that actually hit) and if he had hit it, I still had outs to beat him.

My original line was to Raise the Flop with the flush draw. Bet any Turn and call a raise(I have good odds to the flush draw) and Fold River if he had raised UI. The K wasn't really accounted for in the "any turn" category though.

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Agreed, I didn't mean to say he has a hand because he bet the flop.
If he doesn't have anything he's not going to pay you off when you hit your flush though; and if he does have something you just put in more bets than equity can justify HU, even though your draw is strong.
Those were my initial simplified thoughts. Of course there are 100 other mitigating factors involved that may or may not make a raise more appealing, which I really don't feel like getting into. HU play can be quite complex.

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After thinking some more, (and reading responses) a turn bet is only for value if villain will call with less than Q-high, or fold Q-high.

Here are the options with a turn bet:
1) we bet, villain raises and we have to fold = -1
2) we bet, villain folds = +0
(we gain nothing because we had the better hand anyway)
3) we bet, villain calls = +1
(assumes villain will raise with an A or K)

So the question is: Which of these is more likely? My brain hurts from too much thinking, but I'm tempted to say that checking behind on the turn and calling a river bet is a better play.

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I looked over villians hands that I had seen him play(only 100 or so, and only about 25 of those made it to showdown)

I don't think villian is capable of CR bluffing here, but I do believe he is capable of bet/ calling an A or a K here and CR'sing the Turn w/ either one.

You left one out BTW, what happens when we check?


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You're right - I was only thinking of what happens with the bet. With your new information, a check seems even better. Since villain doesn't seem to go to showdown much, a worse hand will fold so a bet is no longer for value.

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on river, if checked to, i bet.

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Why? What better hand is folding? What worse hand is calling?

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#3027652 have you played at party poker? they call down with anything [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

perhaps it is the case then that you check behind him when a 10, J or Q hit that is not a diamond.

Perhaps this is my overaggressiveness taking over, I'm trying to tone it down a bit tho.

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Bet/fold unless SB is capable of a checkraise bluff on the turn. If he is capable of checkraising the turn, you might as well check if he won't call without at least a Queen. If he likes to go to showdown without a good hand, then bet.