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ThinkQuick 07-31-2005 05:16 AM

Re: Concept of Chopping Blinds
 
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when i sit down, the first thing i do is tell the people next to me that i don't chop.

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I really don't think this is neccesary and could really only upset people. You probably only have to say this when the situation happens.

chisness 07-31-2005 05:29 AM

Re: Concept of Chopping Blinds
 
tinga,

i've been to the rockford games a few times (i'm in buffalo grove)

i remember one of my first live games that wasn't just with friends, a 6-12 home raked game, folded to SB who offers me a chop, i look down at QQ and am like "uhhh do i have to?" at which point it was explained that it's pretty customary, so i agreed -- in a casino i'd probably be less likely to because it's more war less friendly

btw, what do you think of the rockford games? i used to go there all the time before i was big on online poker, played 2-5 and most recently did a few SNGs -- the games seem pretty donkified and the SNG players are almost all far dumber than party skin players, often completely clueless

i think they got rid of the 10-20 game because the maximum bet by law is $10 (they manage to get around this in the NL game by treating it as a tournament, which is probably an illegal "workaround")

SirFelixCat 07-31-2005 08:04 AM

Re: Concept of Chopping Blinds
 
I have always been of the mind that either you chop 100% of the time or you never chop. To each their own, I guess. I don't look at my hole cards until it's my turn to act, so I offer to chop if folded to me in the SB. As long as a player is consistent, I have no problem. Cherry picking, while not illegal etc. I do feel that it is bad form. JMO.

LImitPlayer 07-31-2005 09:11 AM

Re: Concept of Chopping Blinds
 
Why was I in the wrong?

There are no "rules" about chopping.

Why would I chop a premium hand where I could make some money? why would I want to lose 1/2 BB on a crap hand if I don't have to?

LImitPlayer 07-31-2005 09:14 AM

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Cherry picking, while not illegal etc. I do feel that it is bad form

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It may be bad form but it is +Ev

TheMainEvent 07-31-2005 09:43 AM

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They won't raise or they won't play at all as to permit the chop? And why would they do that, does it really give anybody an edge?

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Yes. It gives an edge to the blinds, at the expense of the button.

chesspain 07-31-2005 10:11 AM

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Cherry picking, while not illegal etc. I do feel that it is bad form

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It may be bad form but it is +Ev

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Aside from the non-quantifiable disadvantage of going through life as a douchebag, is it really going to be +EV to piss off a BB who will always act after you? If you pulled that crap on me, I would never offer to chop after that, although I might decide to chop if you asked and I had a crappy hand. The fact that you will always be OOP and forced to act first has to make selective chopping for you a -EV play.

beset7 07-31-2005 10:47 AM

Re: Concept of Chopping Blinds
 
There isn't any rules about chopping.

I just wanted to point out that this isn't always true. Some of the cardrooms near my home in Seattle do have rules about chopping (i.e. if you chop during a session you are obligated to chop for the rest of that session; if you don't chop then you have to play it out each time). Of course it will only be enforced if someone calls for the floor which probably won't happen.

steamboatin 07-31-2005 12:18 PM

Re: Concept of Chopping Blinds
 
No it is not. It is -EV and if you can't figure it out, you need to work on your overall understanding of poker and you might be an ass.

steamboatin 07-31-2005 12:21 PM

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You're correct here. This happened a few orbits later, though. The player that sat between the villain and I was on the button, thus putting the villain in the SB.

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If there is a player between you, the villian has to be in the Big Blind when you are on the button.


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