Re: What kinds of swings can one expect on the Party 5-10 6max?
 

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Being over-rolled is good. I am a big fan of it and have always practiced it.

On the other hand, the OP claims to have 200,000 hands of 2/4-5/10 full at 3.5BB/100

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Well, this wasn't easy to guess from the original post [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I think he should know better... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Good luck.

Re: What kinds of swings can one expect on the Party 5-10 6max?
 

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I'd want at least 8K. The psychological effect of losing 1/2 of your bankroll can really affect your play. Here is a graph of my last 10K hands if you want to get a feel for how schizophrenic the game is.

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Good lord that's the best graph I've seen yet. Nice work!!

Re: What kinds of swings can one expect on the Party 5-10 6max?
 

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I'd want at least 8K. The psychological effect of losing 1/2 of your bankroll can really affect your play. Here is a graph of my last 10K hands if you want to get a feel for how schizophrenic the game is.

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Good lord that's the best graph I've seen yet. Nice work!!

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tyvm, it has given me quite the ulcer. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: What kinds of swings can one expect on the Party 5-10 6max?
 

100 BILLION dollars!

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nh.....thread over! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: What kinds of swings can one expect on the Party 5-10 6max?
 

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Dont listen to all this. 300BB is very sufficient if you are a good player. The play is very weak passive and if you have decent reading skills you will probably ask what kinda swings is expected at 10/20 in a month. Just set yourself a rule that if you hit 200BB you'll move down again and try later once you have 300BB.

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I choose to believe this advice, not because I think it makes sense, but because I'm a silly 3/6 player who doesn't have the patience to build a proper bankroll before moving up to 5/10. Also, I have good reason to believe that, in my first couple of 5/10 sessions, I'm not going to suffer a single bad beat.

Seriously, my plan is to move to 5/10 when I have just about 350 bb. If I drop 100 bb, then I'll move back to 3/6, and then repeat the process. This is essentially how I've moved up so far. May not be the smartest plan but seems like a decent way of dealing with my impatience problem.

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Seriously, my plan is to move to 5/10 when I have just about 350 bb. If I drop 100 bb, then I'll move back to 3/6, and then repeat the process. This is essentially how I've moved up so far. May not be the smartest plan but seems like a decent way of dealing with my impatience problem.

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absolutely NOTHING wrong with that plan. It's a smart way to move up. Once you establish yourself ermanntly at the 5/10 tho, I would let the bankroll build up to at least 500BB, because if you are a winner in the game, you dont want to have to drop down a level when you hit a bad downswing just because your roll isnt big enough. And if you play long enough you WILL hit a downswing that is over 300BB

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8-10k, definitely.

5k is not enough as you will have to drop down if you hit downswing starting out.

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thats exaggerated...

Re: What kinds of swings can one expect on the Party 5-10 6max?
 

250BB.

Run hot.

Trust me.

Re: What kinds of swings can one expect on the Party 5-10 6max?
 

The bankroll you need depends on a lot of factors:

* Your win rate
* Your standard deviatation
* Your risk tolerance
* How much of your winnings you take out of your bankroll

$5,000 is definitely safe if you know you are a decent winner in the game. I actually think you can get by with less -- say $3,000 -- if you are a beating the game for 2BB/100 or more, particularly if you are willing to step down if you start on a bad downswing. I might get flamed for saying this, but you can probably get by with a starting bankroll of $2,000 if these conditions are true and you don't take any winnings out of your bankroll until it gets bigger.

The problem is you don't know your win rate until you have played in the game, and you can't play in the game until you know what bankroll you need. Chicken meet egg.

If you play for a living, I might recommend *more* than $5,000 since you will constantly be taking money out of your bankroll for living expenses and going bust is, uh, really bad.

If you are a losing player, no bankroll is big enough.

If you never let your bankroll grow past a certain ceiling, no bankroll is big enough (at least in theory).

The bankroll you need is different for everyone. Most people just give the "safe" answer of $5,000. If you lose $5,000, it is very unlikely you are a winner in the game.