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Andy B 07-18-2005 01:10 AM

Re: MY FINAL THOUGHTS....
 
In a heads-up game, you're going to be raising light so often that you're apt to get action whether you want it or not. I figure that I raise with dubious holdings often enough that I might as well raise when I have a real hand.

Ray Zee 07-18-2005 02:55 AM

Re: MY FINAL THOUGHTS....
 
then of course a reraise if you didnt have a flush was in order on the river, right.

i dont know about being weak tight but if it is possible, correct it as so be it will be the poor house.

Roland 07-18-2005 07:50 AM

Re: MY FINAL THOUGHTS....
 
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His river raise was what I really thought made this hand interesting, and honestly, I keep changing my mind from thinking its a brilliant play to a foolish one.... and I probably never will.

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A somewhat likely range of hole cards for you is:

<ul type="square"> 88 - QQ 27 ways
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If he puts you on these hands he obviously shouldn’t raise, especially since he can and often will be 3-bet by a flush.
Of course the math changes if you add smaller pockets and split 4s, but I don’t think that’s reasonable. Besides, that would mean he could be facing trip sixes or possibly a backdoor flush from 4d 5s 4s or something.
No way that raise is +EV.

CJC 07-18-2005 10:58 AM

Re: MY FINAL THOUGHTS....
 
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then of course a reraise if you didnt have a flush was in order on the river, right.


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Do you really think for that size pot that any superior hand to a pair of kings would fold for one more damn bet?

Plus, if I didn't have a flush, or a draw to it, the whole hand would have been played differently anyways..
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The games are different now Ray.

CJ

RayGarlington 07-18-2005 11:15 AM

Re: Heads-Up $30-60 Hand
 
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So player A’s hand is good only 6 times out of 30, or 20% of the time.


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Isn't it that Player A's hand is good AT LEAST 20% of the time? If player B is holding TT, 77, 73 or 7T he only has OUTs to win, not an actual win.

BeerMoney 07-18-2005 11:36 AM

Re: MY FINAL THOUGHTS....
 
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correct it as so be it will be the poor house.

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Translation?

Roland 07-18-2005 11:41 AM

Re: Heads-Up $30-60 Hand
 
Nope. His raise on the river means that he’s hit one of those outs.
The question was how often the raise means aces up and how often it means boat. Answer is it means aces up only 20% of the time. At least that’s how I figure it. I could be wrong.

CJC 07-18-2005 12:15 PM

Re: MY FINAL THOUGHTS....
 
I think what Ray is saying is I have to correct my weak river play, or I will be the one in the poor house. ( go broke ) I just happen to emphatically disagree with him when it comes to the river play of this hand.

CJ

RayGarlington 07-18-2005 01:05 PM

Re: Heads-Up $30-60 Hand
 
OK. I see your argument now (I was a street behind). I think your calculation is ok; however, it would take a special guy to raise aces up into a probable flush.

Bartholow 07-18-2005 01:06 PM

Re: MY FINAL THOUGHTS....
 
You're the one who said a 3-bet on the river wouldn't be paid off a decent amount of the time that your opponent didn't have a boat.


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