Re: \"I Wanna See That Hand\" at MGM Las Vegas
 

Funny you mention MGM. I had to sit through a lengthy discussion about this topic while sitting in a 4-8 game a couple weeks ago. It was nauseating.

Can everybody just stop with this?

Re: \"I Wanna See That Hand\" at MGM Las Vegas
 

i played the 4/8 at the mgm june 19-22 and didnt encounter this behavior.

On a side note, just curious if i played with any 2+2's while i was there. i was the young asian guy with a gray sweater and an ipod.

Re: \"I Wanna See That Hand\" at MGM Las Vegas
 

Every room I've been in, if you're dealt into a hand, you can call to see a hand at showdown regardless of whether you make it to showdown.

Don't take it so personal.

b

Re: \"I Wanna See That Hand\" at MGM Las Vegas
 

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that the reason for the rule was collusion

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Which I can almost gaurantee isn't specified this way on the rules board posted in your cardroom.

b

Re: \"I Wanna See That Hand\" at MGM Las Vegas
 

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I wrote two columns on this issue last year.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_maga...02&m_id=88

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_maga...amp;m_id=65550

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I think this topic gets too much airtime and blown way out of proportion. Yknow what really slows the game? The discussion about the intent of the rule. Calling the floor over, etc.

When I go to showdown, I am fully aware that someone may ask to see my hand. So what? Most don't know what to do with the info anyways. One hand isn't going to reveal every tool in my box in the game. It doesn't bother me at all. I think the players who really get upset about this rule, generally, aren't that strong of players. Otherwise, something so petty wouldn't get them so bent out of shape.

There are better things to study and worry about than someone asking to see your hand.

b

Re: \"I Wanna See That Hand\" at MGM Las Vegas
 

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I wrote two columns on this issue last year.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_maga...02&m_id=88

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_maga...amp;m_id=65550

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No disrespect to Michael, but Bob Ciaffone just wrote three articles about it in Card Player. He is re-writing this section in an upcoming version of Robert's Rules.

TT

Re: \"I Wanna See That Hand\" at MGM Las Vegas
 

A dead hand is different from a hand that can't be shown. If the cards can be found easily, then the dealer can show them.

This rule sucks, but it's the rule. If someone asks to see my hand, I ask them why they want to. I will then ask them who they think I was colluding with. Then I will request the floor to explain the rule to the player.

If the player continues to absue the rule, I will call it on the player every time the rest of the night.

I saw a couple of villains caught by this Saturday
 

I was playing at Foxwoods on Saturday. At the table next to mine there was a big commotion. Apparently two people had been involved in a hand and had been pushing back and forth(with other players in the hand also). They raised back and forth on the river until it was heads up. One player tried to muck his cards but a player who was not involved asked to see his cards.

Naturally, he had crap and was accused of colluding with the other player. They put up a fight, but the floor removed the mucking player from the game.

I recognized them both as card room sleazebags and angle shooters, but did not associate them together.

This was one case where the rule proved it is worth whatever trouble it causes when used improperly.

Re: \"I Wanna See That Hand\" at MGM Las Vegas
 

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I wrote two columns on this issue last year.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_maga...02&m_id=88

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_maga...amp;m_id=65550

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So, when are you going to get Party Poker to stop including the hole cards for everyone who made it to the showdown in the hand histories? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

-Mike

Re: \"I Wanna See That Hand\" at MGM Las Vegas
 

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I wrote two columns on this issue last year.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_maga...02&m_id=88

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_maga...amp;m_id=65550

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I think this topic gets too much airtime and blown way out of proportion. Yknow what really slows the game? The discussion about the intent of the rule. Calling the floor over, etc.

When I go to showdown, I am fully aware that someone may ask to see my hand. So what? Most don't know what to do with the info anyways. One hand isn't going to reveal every tool in my box in the game. It doesn't bother me at all. I think the players who really get upset about this rule, generally, aren't that strong of players. Otherwise, something so petty wouldn't get them so bent out of shape.

There are better things to study and worry about than someone asking to see your hand.

b

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Bernie's right. I think almost all of the time they just want to see what you had, not how you play. I don't get into snits about this anymore, and it used to piss me off something royal.