Re: Stars 500k hand disagreement between me and Raptor
 

Use the independant chip model.

-SmileyEH

Re: Stars 500k hand disagreement between me and Raptor
 

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You're WAYYYYY off. We're a 60/40 FAVORITE against a random hand with KTo. All we need to be to justify a call is a 44/56 DOG. KTo is a no-brainer.


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i beg to differ. do you see why? holla


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Nope.

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well, thats pretty clear. i mean, if everyone is saying this is an autocall, then K6s should be a call. im NEVER going to call a push here with a K6s for 9.5x bb. ever. period. do you see why now? holla

Re: Stars 500k hand disagreement between me and Raptor
 

llyod is also saying the player should call with Q5o.

-SmileyEH

Re: Stars 500k hand disagreement between me and Raptor
 

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Use the independant chip model.

-SmileyEH

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The independent chip model was designed primarily for sit and gos and only takes into consideration the top 3 money spots. It's not applicable to this situation which is why Adanthar started with ICM but mentioned the change in equity because of that limitation.

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llyod is also saying the player should call with Q5o.

-SmileyEH

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might as well call with 23o. thats pretty close right? holla

Re: Stars 500k hand disagreement between me and Raptor
 

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llyod is also saying the player should call with Q5o.

-SmileyEH

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Yep, and unless you come up with an alternate way of mathematically computing equity it would be correct to call with all of the hands that I listed. The fact that you won't call with those hands is yet another reason why a guy like Jason will dominate you (and others) in situations like these. Yep, it seems pretty tough to call with Q5 but in reality it's 50/50 versus a random hand. So with the antes it becomes correct to call.

Re: Stars 500k hand disagreement between me and Raptor
 

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llyod is also saying the player should call with Q5o.

-SmileyEH

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might as well call with 23o. thats pretty close right? holla

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32o is a 2-1 dog and does not give us the proper odds to call. The problem is that you're making decisions based on your gut when this really gets down to a math decision. But hey, what do I know.

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The problem is that you're making decisions based on your gut when this really gets down to a math decision. But hey, what do I know.

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holla

Re: Stars 500k hand disagreement between me and Raptor
 

Your calculations underestimate the number of spots hero can move up by folding, but like I said - when I saw the hand it felt wrong for the player to call with KTo. He certainly cannot call with the range you are suggesting.

-SmileyEH

Re: Stars 500k hand disagreement between me and Raptor
 

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You're WAYYYYY off. We're a 60/40 FAVORITE against a random hand with KTo. All we need to be to justify a call is a 44/56 DOG. KTo is a no-brainer.


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i beg to differ. do you see why? holla


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Nope.

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well, thats pretty clear. i mean, if everyone is saying this is an autocall, then K6s should be a call. im NEVER going to call a push here with a K6s for 9.5x bb. ever. period. do you see why now? holla

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Yes, because you cloud good judgement with emotion and are afraid that others will look at your call as being maniacal versus a well thought out response to maniacal aggression by the chip leader.