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I guess it's kinda old news by now, but for those who missed it, the fact has been revealed that many poker players of Asian, especially Vietnamese origin, practice a sophisticated method of mental visualization not unlike the Neuro Linguistic Programming. Basically, they go deep within for answers preflop and postflop they visualize the cards to come. This involves an ancient method of breathing of meditation and the Nguyen clan is known to have been initiated into this tradition long before poker. It has also been rumored that Gus Hansen became an adept during his visit to Vietnam and after winning the Tournament of Champions where he singlehandedly busted out every single opponents, invariably with a lucky river card, Gus Hansen more or less publicly acknowledged that his success is due to breathing and making pictures in his mind.
I strongly suspect that some online players somehow managed to get hold of this powerful mental weapons and those on the lower limits are simply building their bankrolls.

The absence of proof is not the proof of absence.

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I completely believe in this - through my own experiences.

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It's a conspiracy by the government and aliens

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I only had to read through half of it to be convinced you are right.

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I don't really appreciate people disrupting a legitimate thread with posts calling me or others losers because we choose to investigate this matter with an open mind.


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You suck. www.recpoker.com

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Did anyone see the Heads Up tourney on NBC/CNBC where Phil Helmuth told Antonio Estafandiari he would get Jacks and he got Pocket Jacks the very next hand?

You should all lay off this poster, I think he's on to something!!

Here's something else REALLY creepy. EVERY TIME I'm looking for something, and I mean EVERY TIME, it is ALWAYS in the last place I look!!!! I get chills just thinking about it!

Ok, to be honest, once it was in the next to the last place I looked, but I felt really silly when I got to the last place...

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i will give anyone an even money bet that in any number of consecutive hands at a table (online or live) with 10 players, half of those hands will involve someone at the table "catching" a hand or a card.

i am not saying online poker is rigged. i am saying the nature and probabilities of poker work out in a way that at a full table, half the hands will look like low probability things happening.

oh, and i'll give anyone an even money bet that the OP is a loon. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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Did anyone see the Heads Up tourney on NBC/CNBC where Phil Helmuth told Antonio Estafandiari he would get Jacks and he got Pocket Jacks the very next hand?

You should all lay off this poster, I think he's on to something!!

Here's something else REALLY creepy. EVERY TIME I'm looking for something, and I mean EVERY TIME, it is ALWAYS in the last place I look!!!! I get chills just thinking about it!

Ok, to be honest, once it was in the next to the last place I looked, but I felt really silly when I got to the last place...

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I have laughed at almost every response so far - great thread. How about where Daniel Negreanu called out for an 8d and it came. Then he called for a Jd for a straight flush and Bingo. WOW. Ever hear of the Goldilocks syndrome - why were we so lucky that the Earth had just the right conditions to support life? Well, if it didn't we wouldn't be here to discuss it. Therefore, the winner is usually the guy that wins the most suckouts. Anyone that loses one is usually out. If you look at any winner they usually got lucky somewhere along the line.

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There were many replies, some from those who think I'm a crazy loser

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That will be the point im trying to make here
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Just watch the final five tables at the weeknite $150 tourneys and the $200 weekend tourneys at Party. Or if you prefer the $350,000/$500,000 Sunday tourney at PokerStars. If someone had a really effective way to cheat this is where their time would be best spent.When the field is down to about 50 players I swear at least half of them have some way of knowing/controlling what cards will be dealt.

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First of all 25 players can't all control the deck at only 5 tables, it's not possible. Hopefuly I don't need to explain to why that can't happen. Also if 50 players knew what was going to be delt they would all wait untill they can see that they would win before they enter a hand. So eventualy all the players in the tournament would be able to see the outcome of the hand. When it got to this point no one would gain anything. The blinds would be passed around but no real chip movement would take place.

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unlike everyoneelse, there may be i've seen suspicious activity myself. I've never seen it on party, but have on stars and ultimate. I certainly have no proof, but would l would love to go back and review players hand histories or be an internal control person.

Since January,I've seen nothing suspicious.

And Phish and the others that have played with me know I win consistently.

Final comment, the paranoid ramblings of small limit players irritates all of us,

but:

People are staying up late trying to figure out how to hack the system. The rng is not an rng, but a seed and a corresponding algorith. People have cracked Keno and poker rngs.

The sites have to maintain strong internal security and keep updating and changing their rng algorith, but I suspect laxity based on substantial experience. I dealt the biggest games in Vegas and dealt 200 blind and bigger in Calif.in a former life. The people who work the floor at most casinos and pokerrooms are usually abject idiots. I suspect a similar level of stupidity handling security at internet rooms.

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I certainly have no proof

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Repeat this 100x or so and then STFU and go away. WTF is wrong with you conspiracy theorists??? It's like your cognitive development ended at age 6.

What the [censored] goes into the decision making process before you post that nonsense with the words "I certainly have no proof" in the middle of it???