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wireMan 05-12-2005 03:01 PM

Re: 3 part preflop quiz
 
Call
Call - weak kicker, but wheel is a potential. Making this better than A6s or A7s, IMHO.
Call

txdolly 05-12-2005 03:02 PM

Re: 3 part preflop quiz
 
call
fold
fold

McGahee 05-12-2005 03:02 PM

Re: 3 part preflop quiz
 
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I'm new to all this, but isn't a 3-bet a "raise"?

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Yes, I pondered making up the term "2-bet" for clarity purposes, but decided against it.

davelin 05-12-2005 03:07 PM

Re: 3 part preflop quiz
 
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I said fold 55 in the first place, and A5s too. Of course if your'e already in your stuck.

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You wouldn't try to limp in with 55 here?

2+2 Junkie 05-12-2005 03:14 PM

Re: 3 part preflop quiz
 
Fold
Fold
Call

Shillx 05-12-2005 03:16 PM

Re: 3 part preflop quiz
 
Well at best, you are getting 16:2 or 8:1 here. Absolute worst you could get (if MP1 folds, the button folds and MP2 caps) would be 16:3 or 5.3:1.

So even in the worst case, you should call with 55 since you are getting good enough curret + implied odds. Let's take a look at QJs.

Trips+ = 1.45%
2-pair = 2.02%
Striaght + Straight Draw (flop is not monotone and not two of your suit) = 1.04% + 7.8%
Flush + Flush Draw = .84% + 10.94%

Total = ~ 24%

You are getting more then enough to call with QJs here. You will flop a money making hand about one time in four. Now A5s.

Trips+ + 2pair = 3.47%
Straight + Striaght Draw = .26% + .52%
Flush + Flush Draw = 11.78%

Total = 16%

Now you are getting about 5.25:1 to flop something big, so that looks to be enough to take a flop here.

Brad

KaiShin 05-12-2005 03:21 PM

Re: 3 part preflop quiz
 
I'm calling all of these.

Shillx 05-12-2005 03:21 PM

Re: 3 part preflop quiz
 
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Call
Call
Call

Anyone who says fold 55 here is not thinking about this right.

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This is exactly right. Think about it this way....

You limp A5s UTG and UTG+1 raises. Everyone else folds. I bet that you make this call everytime getting just 4:1. If you make that call, calling in this spot is a no brainer.

Brad

tiltaholic 05-12-2005 03:33 PM

Re: 3 part preflop quiz
 
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Call
Call
Call

Anyone who says fold 55 here is not thinking about this right.

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This is exactly right. Think about it this way....

You limp A5s UTG and UTG+1 raises. Everyone else folds. I bet that you make this call everytime getting just 4:1. If you make that call, calling in this spot is a no brainer.

Brad

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hey-
i don't think that direct analogy is correct - because we're thinking about implied odds here when calling multiple bets. i know you already know this, but i'm just pointing it out for everyone else:

If you have Axs in EP and limp and someone behind raises, and everyone folds, yes - you call getting 4:1. But when we are calling 2 more prelop in the original case, even though the immediate pot odds are, say 8:1, they are actually 16:2, which means if we are short on odds we have to make up double the number of SBs... (though i'm not saying we shouldn't call - in fact, i'm not sure why i'm posting this...)

DMBFan23 05-12-2005 03:38 PM

Re: 3 part preflop quiz
 
I was gonna post something similar, cool shite


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