Re: Do you believe the shuffle is really random online???
 

I have no idea to what degree online poker is rigged...

But...
The arguement that poker sites would not cheat...
Because "too much is at stake"...
Or "make too much money to risk scandal"...
Is hopelessly naive.

Just look at 2 MAXIMUM REGULATED worlds.

The securities business...
Gave us Enron...
The recent mutual fund skimming scandal...
Endless insider trading.

I'm a US broker-dealer.
I make 100 trades on the NYSE every day...
And I get cheated 5-10 times every day...
By the specialists...
And there's not a damn thing that I can do.
It's the cost of doing business.

Greed knows no bounds.

Or Vegas...
Do you really believe that bringing in a mechanic...
To bust an unwelcome player...
Is a total myth?

Here is a hypothesis:

As competition...
For online poker market share heats up...
The best way to maximize rake...
Is to protect the average player from the sharks.

If you give a top player...
Just ONE bad beat every 100 hands...
His profit margin disappers...
And he goes away...
So the happy fish can keep playing...
Without being quickly tapped out...
By the rake and the pros.

This would be super simple to program.

I guarentee you that the software hooks...
Or bots... Or whatever... Is in place...
And eventually...
The pros will be systematically "discouraged"...
From abusing the fish.

That's how you maximize the rake.
Protect the fish.

Offshore = Unregulated = Anything Goes

This kind of thing would be going on...
Even if the SEC and the NASD...
Were regulating the poker sites.

Tell me that I'm wrong...
But in a fierce battle for market share...
But don't give me the ridiculous arguement...
That poker sites...
"Are making too much money to cheat".

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1. I am not, and have never, claimed the sites are "rigged".

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I had very poor results in January and Feburary of this year. The players I lost to seemed as if they knew what cards were going to be dealt.

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If this isn't suggesting it's rigged, I don't know what is.

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I'm not sure what type of program they are using to randomize the cards but I suppose it does the job. It does seem peculiar those times that I get dealt a 83 off suit 7 times in a row....so I'm not sure....

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I'm not sure what type of program they are using to randomize the cards but I suppose it does the job. It does seem peculiar those times that I get dealt a 83 off suit 7 times in a row....so I'm not sure....

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How about those times you are multitabling and you get the exact same hand at two of them at the same time? It's never an awesome hand like AA or KK it's always some crappy 73o BS.

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I'm not sure what type of program they are using to randomize the cards but I suppose it does the job. It does seem peculiar those times that I get dealt a 83 off suit 7 times in a row....so I'm not sure....

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How about those times you are multitabling and you get the exact same hand at two of them at the same time? It's never an awesome hand like AA or KK it's always some crappy 73o BS.

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When I two table, if I take my hole cards on one and use them on the other I always have an awsome hand. Its like I can predict the future [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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How about those times you are multitabling and you get the exact same hand at two of them at the same time? It's never an awesome hand like AA or KK it's always some crappy 73o BS.

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Actually yesteday I hit a $50 down swing at 1/2 and was getting very frustrated. At two tables I simultaneously got dealt AA at one table, had my 63o flop a straight at my second table, and then got dealt AA right after that straight.

It must be rigged! Ultimatebet loves me!

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Ralpie...

I have heard of what you have suggested before. However, I have been told that the card(s) that hit on the next street are different depending on which players are in the hand. In other words, say for example you fold a gutshot on the turn and the river is your money card, had you stayed in this would have been a different card. This would make sence to keep people from being able to tell what would fall next. Of course I do not know if this is the true way of where the next card comes from.

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You probably just suck at poker.

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1. I am not, and have never, claimed the sites are "rigged".

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I had very poor results in January and Feburary of this year. The players I lost to seemed as if they knew what cards were going to be dealt.

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If this isn't suggesting it's rigged, I don't know what is.

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He is not saying the sites are rigged, he is asking if about some players knowing the cards that are coming.

Many sites do not use a fixed deck, the cards are generated as needed, so this would be impossible on those sites (UB does this from what I understand from their RNG page).