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Hi Bernie

I think the key to this example is the size of the pot.Since the pot was not raised pre-flop you will make more money(expectation greater) if you just call.If the pot were raised pre-flop and the bet came from your right then you probably should raise.When the pot gets big,improving your chance to win is more important than getting extra action. Ice

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Anyway, I still think a flop call is correct in the example the author posted, although it's pretty insignifigant either way, as long as you don't fold

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Actually, in the book example, it's even more significant to raise in that spot. Pot size alone dictates trying to maximize your winning chances over gaining value.

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I know. In the book example raising is clearly correct. I meant the author of the article in that quote.

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I think you may be right.

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A general thought.
In a close decision, perhaps both lines could be used randomly, decided by a coin flip (not necessarily a fair coin flip)
As long as we've determined that both raising and calling have similar merits, isn't it time to make yourself less predictable?

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no. go with the higher EV line.

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no. go with the higher EV line.

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Which is calling. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Obviously, when you know what the higher EV line is.
What if you don't know? What if in your estimation calling has 40% chance of being highest EV and raising has a 60% chance? Should you raise all the time or call sometimes also?

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Obviously, when you know what the higher EV line is.
What if you don't know? What if in your estimation calling has 40% chance of being highest EV and raising has a 60% chance? Should you raise all the time or call sometimes also?

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in low-limit poker (especially online), always pick the play with highest +EV. Most people aren't noticing specific plays you do. Futhermore, you likely won't see these people again. These randomizing plays have no merit in low stakes poker, because opponents simply are too dumb to notice or you won't play against them again.

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in low-limit poker (especially online), always pick the play with highest +EV.

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I have no argument with this idea. I am asking what happens when you do not know which play has the highest EV. This is what this particular argument is about. Some say, calling is better, others say raising is better. Supposing that both groups make good arguments, do I necessarily have to choose one side, or can I use both plays randomly? Logically I am missing some EV because one of the groups is ultimately correct while the other is wrong, but by not picking the wrong line hundred percent of the time, I am hedging my bet.

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To tell you the truth, you can't go too wrong in this hand if you don't fold.