Re: A 20-40 hand from Hollywood Park last night
 

Because UTG raised and somebody 3-bet him. Because the sb is a maniac. Because in this game, A-K isn't going to win a pot unimproved. Because in this game they're not going to check to me on the flop if I cap. Because if I catch a Q and a T or a J and a T on the flop I'm not going to be able to buy a free card. Because top pair with top kicker is going to hold up less in this game than most others. Because I'm not suited. Because if I miss the flop and, as in this example, catch an A or a K on the turn, I'm very likely to be in a world of trouble.

Re: A 20-40 hand from Hollywood Park last night
 

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The turn, son, the turn.

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Gabe, you rule.

Re: A 20-40 hand from Hollywood Park last night
 

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Because UTG raised and somebody 3-bet him. Because the sb is a maniac. Because in this game, A-K isn't going to win a pot unimproved. Because in this game they're not going to check to me on the flop if I cap. Because if I catch a Q and a T or a J and a T on the flop I'm not going to be able to buy a free card. Because top pair with top kicker is going to hold up less in this game than most others. Because I'm not suited. Because if I miss the flop and, as in this example, catch an A or a K on the turn, I'm very likely to be in a world of trouble.

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go with this

Re: A 20-40 hand from Hollywood Park last night
 

Pre-flop cap is ok in a crazy game like this with good position.

Flop cap is ok too. It's going to get capped anyways, but like El Senor said, you might just wanna call and see what happens the rest of the way.

The turn is where you lay down your TPTK. They are obviously not afraid of one king, or an overpair (AA). It's time to let go...

Re: A 20-40 hand from Hollywood Park last night
 

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The turn, son, the turn.

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oh. I reckon i misunderstood you.

-pete

Re: A 20-40 hand from Hollywood Park last night
 

Very routine in some areas of the country. In other areas you would be shown the nuts, 2nd nut, 3rd nut, and 4th nut would have folded on the turn. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

But then in some areas 2nd pair no kicker coulda taken this pot.

Re: A 20-40 hand from Hollywood Park last night
 

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Because UTG raised and somebody 3-bet him. Because the sb is a maniac. Because in this game, A-K isn't going to win a pot unimproved. Because in this game they're not going to check to me on the flop if I cap. Because if I catch a Q and a T or a J and a T on the flop I'm not going to be able to buy a free card. Because top pair with top kicker is going to hold up less in this game than most others. Because I'm not suited. Because if I miss the flop and, as in this example, catch an A or a K on the turn, I'm very likely to be in a world of trouble.

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I think this is a perfect explanation, thank you andy. Unfortnately, this makes me wonder which hands *are* worth playing in these kind of conditions.

Might see you at Commerce tonight!

Re: A 20-40 hand from Hollywood Park last night
 

Incidentally, the way this hand ended:

MP+1 turns over AJo which is good for the nut straight on the turn.

UTG+1 claims after the hand he was playing QK for the top pair on the flop.

Re: A 20-40 hand from Hollywood Park last night
 

"Might see you at Commerce tonight!"

I'll PM you.

Re: A 20-40 hand from Hollywood Park last night
 

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 30.15 % 00.27 00.03
{AA-99, AKs-ATs, KQs, AKo-AQo, KQo}
Hand 2: 41.95 % 00.36 00.06
{AA-TT, AKs-AQs, AKo}
Hand 3: 27.89 % 00.20 00.07
{AK}

You're not quite getting your fair share (in fact you're losing .33BB if you cap and its 3 ways) but this is a pretty tight range of hands for your opposition and I still think that in position with a hand that will rarely have to put a lot in behind you're probably profitable here after taking into account money you make postflop. Against looser opposition its not close.