Re: Huge vag. or well played?
 

I vote huge vag. First off...
AA - 6
KK - 6
QQ - 1

AK - 16
AQs - 2
JJ - 6
TT - 6

Now it's certainly true that he'll cap the better hands a lot more often then he'd cap the worse ones, but I would guess the odds are you're still looking at a hand you're ahead of after the flop. Who's to say MP isn't capping light to try to throw off his TAG opponent also?

Put more bets in- I say just raise the flop and if he shows any more aggressions after that, call down.

P.S. I've seen WA/WB tossed around in this thread whereas it certainly does not apply being that one of villain's most likely holdings is AK, which has 6 outs against you.

Re: Huge vag. or well played?
 

ok, but I think I pop that flop one time just in case he's on AK and then call down.

Re: Huge vag. or well played?
 

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I don't mind this line, but I think it is best to try and figure out where you are at early on. I raise the flop everytime and see what happens. I probably cap if he reraises . If he bets into me again, than I am just calling, but I think there is a strong chance that your hand is good and you need to get some value from it.

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This sucks. Trying to figure out where he is at on a cheap street sucks. How about this. You have a Vilian. He only raises pocket pairs preflop (he'll cap too). You have KK on the button. He raises on the cutoff, you 3-bet and he caps.

Flop is all unders. Are you going to raise the flop to see if he has aces?

Assume he would 3-bet aces on the flop and everything else he would call the turn then fold the river. If you don't raise, he will bet until he reaches resistance.

Should you raise the flop?

Krishan

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Krishan and Boom-Boom:

If you had AA here, where would the extra bets go in? Do you think the answer to this question has any impact on how we play the initial hand?

Thanks.

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I would raise the flop.

Krishan

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ok, but I think I pop that flop one time just in case he's on AK and then call down.

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If you do this to me and I have AK, I'll call the turn and fold the river.

Krishan

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ok, but I think I pop that flop one time just in case he's on AK and then call down.

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If you do this to me and I have AK, I'll call the turn and fold the river.

Krishan

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If I just call and raise the turn, you are folding also. Are you saying you'd bet/bet and then check/call the river with AK UI?

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But would another 2+2er recognize this common WA/WB line and 3-bet with a lesser hand?

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Not on that board.

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This post got me thinking. Is it really correct to raise the river here? Would a 2+2er bet AK on the river, given how this played out? I'm thinking he would check.


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I would. I'd want to induce a bluff from AQ-AJ. Nothing I beat is calling the river.

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ok, but I think I pop that flop one time just in case he's on AK and then call down.

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If you do this to me and I have AK, I'll call the turn and fold the river.


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Also, I'm not crazy about letting villain draw for "free" on that flop.

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At 10/20, this looks a lot like a scare card river bluff. Aren't AA & KK still 3 betting

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Perhaps my logic is off, but why would you 3bet the river if you thought your opponent was on a bluff? What would that accomplish? 3 betting a bluff just induces a fold.