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2+2 wannabe 11-14-2005 07:39 PM

Re: Another Hand
 
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<font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, CO calls, Hero calls.

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baby jesus cries

aces_dad 11-14-2005 07:44 PM

Re: Folding in a big pot when you know you\'re beat :P
 
Not necessarily.


23,697,528 games 41.781 secs 567,184 games/sec

Board: Ts 3c 7c 8h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 31.0690 % 30.22% 00.85% { 6c5c }
Hand 2: 34.4717 % 33.34% 01.13% { random }
Hand 3: 34.4593 % 33.33% 01.13% { random }

The upper end of your straight makes a higher straight for any J, so it is not a clean out.

IMO pf is when you should have folded this hand. You can't play small SC's for 2.5SB pf against hands you're surely behind.

McGahee 11-14-2005 07:47 PM

Re: Another Hand
 
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cap flop, fold river. you can't possibly be winning there dude

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Yeah, just horrible river play. If somebody posted it I'd be all over that and I don't know why I can't make such an easy fold in real-time practice.

I'm fairly certain the flop doesn't matter though. I knew I'd get ripped for it, but I didn't think you'd be one of them...you think he's ever checking the turn when I don't cap?

milesdyson 11-14-2005 07:51 PM

Re: Another Hand
 
if it were heads up i'd wait and raise. but i see a player trapped and i want his money now. also that dude might lead the turn anyway. that said, that's a close decision. the river play is what really matters there

aK13 11-14-2005 07:55 PM

Re: Folding in a big pot when you know you\'re beat :P
 
Preflop is wow.

Flop is good.

Turn is wow.

River is good.

McGahee 11-14-2005 08:03 PM

Re: Another Hand
 
You've become quite the cryptic &amp; cocky pest for a newb that was generally lost like 5 months ago. What gives?

numeri 11-14-2005 08:08 PM

Re: Another Hand
 
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You've become quite the cryptic &amp; cocky pest for a newb that was generally lost like 5 months ago. What gives?

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I think the implication was: cap the flop. You'll get one more BB on the flop, and then one or two more on the turn. You have no guarantee UTG will bet, and obviously you don't have a guarantee that you'll be able to trap CO again on the turn.

milesdyson 11-14-2005 08:09 PM

Re: Another Hand
 
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You've become quite the cryptic &amp; cocky pest for a newb that was generally lost like 5 months ago. What gives?

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he's my apprentice.

McGahee 11-14-2005 08:27 PM

Re: Another Hand
 
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I think the implication was: cap the flop. You'll get one more BB on the flop, and then one or two more on the turn. You have no guarantee UTG will bet, and obviously you don't have a guarantee that you'll be able to trap CO again on the turn.

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I got the implication. UTG is very very very likely to bet the turn, and although it's easy to say otherwise in hindsight, CO is very likely to call the turn after he calls 3 on the flop on this board. He folded unexpectedly, and yet I still collected as many bets as I would've had I capped. There are legions of people on this fourm who like to "3-bet to find out where they're at" which is usually a dumb idea and the average poster here is much smarter than the average player in general. Furthermore, when I cap and he leads the turn MHIG nowhere near 100% of the time.
But as Miles said the flop play is pretty insignificant in that hand.

Edit: Pooh-Bah is 1600? [censored] - am I supposed to write a dissertation or something?

jaxUp 11-14-2005 08:27 PM

Re: Another Hand
 
next one = pooh-bah...make it a good one.


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