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10-03-2005 10:15 AM

Re: 150k hands graph
 
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Why did you continue to move up? I'm not trying to be a dick at all. Was your roll still growing enough to move up or were you playing over your head?

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This assumes OP relies strictly on poker as his income. He could be a huge long term loser and move up limits as much as he wants....Yet never play over his head.

Bill Gates plays 3/6 hold'em. If he lost 5k in 3/6 and moved up to 100/200, would he be playing over his head? I think he'd be able to handle the swings.

Derek in NYC 10-03-2005 10:35 AM

Re: 150k hands graph
 
Im not sure you're a winning player. Regardless of whatever you bankroll may have been, I find it hard to believe that you had the skills to move up as quickly as you did. I would drop the lowest limit available, and log 100k hands, and then come back.

meow_meow 10-03-2005 10:43 AM

Re: 150k hands graph
 
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Im not sure you're a winning player. Regardless of whatever you bankroll may have been, I find it hard to believe that you had the skills to move up as quickly as you did. I would drop the lowest limit available, and log 100k hands, and then come back.

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Yuck.
You want him to play 100k hands of 0.5/1?

Nobody needs to play 100k hands of 0.5/1...

What he needs to do is work on his game.
Post hands.
Go through his PT database and figure out where he's losing money, especially blind defense and stealing.

kiddo 10-03-2005 10:48 AM

Re: 150k hands graph
 
After 150K you are down 300BB at the cocktail of limits u played. If u are lucky u could be small winner but u could just as well be a loser. There is no way to know.

You just have to start all over again, reread the books and play a low limit. And keep playing at that limit at least 50K and with a steady winrate.

Just applying Lee Jones should make u a winner at $1/2. If u cant beat $1/2 pretty easily u defintely shouldnt try $3/6 and $5/10 yet.

There are a ton of guys like u, hitting a good run, moving up fast, hitting a bad run and suddenly not knowing how to play anymore. There is a good chance that u are playing weak now. Look out for that. Or maybe u got no respect for the guys at $1/2 now that u have won big pots at $5/10. Look out for that too.

gildwulf 10-03-2005 10:50 AM

Re: 150k hands graph
 
You haven't proven yourself a winning player at any limit. I would go to the lowest limit you feel comfortable with that would still have significant rakeback (3/6 or 5/10) and work on your game there. Post hands.

I'm surprised you didn't come to twoplustwo.com sooner. This is like someone coming into a doctor's office with a tumor the size of a grapefruit in their head and asking the doctor if they should get it checked out.

Wynton 10-03-2005 10:52 AM

Re: 150k hands graph
 
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Bill Gates plays 3/6 hold'em.

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Really? Wonder what his screen name is.

bnorthro 10-03-2005 11:00 AM

Re: 150k hands graph
 
Is it just me, or do the swings from hand to hand look huge? Are you really, really aggressive? It seems like there's 50BB swings regularly, with no consistency anywhere. I might consider dropping to 1/2 full or 1/2 6max and getting a smooth, consistent run going. Granted, I've only got about 25K hands, but my graphs look relatively smooth, ie no huge huge short term swings like that.

tolbiny 10-03-2005 11:01 AM

Re: 150k hands graph
 
This is easy. you moved from .5/1 to 15/30 in 150k hands, and your not that good. I am sure someone else here has said it, but you probably need to hear it a lot, drop down below 5/10. I bet if you took a poll most 10/20 players here would have spent at least 75k hands at 5-10 sh alone.

sy_or_bust 10-03-2005 11:48 AM

Re: 150k hands graph
 
2/4 ring LHE. Learn it. You should frequent the SS forum, re-read SSHE, and post many hands. Play less tables for a while, and become a winner. This is an easy game. Work your way up to 3/6 ring and contemplate 3/6 6-max or 5/10 full.

You'll get there if you work for it. Your experience shows why shortcuts suck.

Derek in NYC 10-03-2005 12:21 PM

Re: 150k hands graph
 
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Yuck.
You want him to play 100k hands of 0.5/1?

Nobody needs to play 100k hands of 0.5/1...

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I recommended that he drop down and play a large number of hands at a low limit because it is clear that this guy is stepping up without any reason to believe that he is a winning player. In 150k hands, he went from .50/1.00 to 15/30. This is ridiculous. I doubt that the OP can state with any certainty, the minimum level where he is sure he is a winning player.

According to his shorthand charts:

1.1 BB/100 at .50/1.00 (11k hands)
-1.6 BB/100 at 1/2 (18k hands)
-.7 BB/100 at 3/6 (32k hands)
-.5 BB/100 at 5/10 (26k hands)
-2.6 BB/100 at 10/20 (349 hands)

If I had to guess based on a heinously small sample, I would say he can win at .50/1.00 and is a loser at all higher shorthanded limits. The external discipline of a 100k hand count will help this player much more than just "playing and posting hands."

He is clearly not prepared to play anything other than microlimits, and he should be working on his game at the lowest possible level.


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