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Chris Daddy Cool 12-14-2005 05:22 PM

Re: 150-300 PAYOFF
 
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Comments? How do you guys feel about this open in the cutoff is it profitable?

The CO in this hand was not me, it was mimi tran, and I was in the big blind with a strangely played AQ.

You guys can comment on my play as well, which isn't too good. I think the flop should be four bet.

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was your plan to checkraise the turn? i don't think its too bad of a line though i think i like putting the pedel to the metal and 4 betting her.

Ulysses 12-14-2005 05:26 PM

Re: 150-300 PAYOFF
 
JV,

What did you put her on? I guess a worse Ace-high that calls but checks behind?

TheBusiness 12-14-2005 05:31 PM

Re: 150-300 PAYOFF
 
I think that if the button and blinds are all pretty tight, Mimi raising K3s in the CO can be +EV, and I don't think its automatically a bad play as some people in this thread seem to think. I like your smooth call preflop with AQ in the BB.

Just about everyone in the CO in this situation will auto-bet this flop, so I also like your checkraise. After that I think you played very oddly. In my mind, her 3-bet screams "I want a free turn!" If she had the other queen or a pretty big pair, I believe she would call your flop checkraise and then raise the turn, rather than 3-bet the flop, as it would earn her an extra half bet if you were the one drawing or if she put you on a smaller pair or A high. Because of this, I would have capped the flop and led the last two streets, or at the very least, donk-bet the turn after calling the flop 3-bet. Unless she flopped a boat (which she didn't), there is no way she has you beat here, and I wouldn't want to miss any bets if I were you, nor give her any free cards if she does have outs (which she did).

Chris Daddy Cool 12-14-2005 05:33 PM

Re: 150-300 PAYOFF
 
given the way you played it, do you think checking the river is a viable option to induce a bluff? (no reason to believe the 3 helps her hand and her hand seems pretty weak A high or flush draw-ish.)

Nomar 12-14-2005 05:58 PM

Re: 150-300 PAYOFF
 
havent read responses ...

fold preflop obv...

rest of hand is fine you are going to win this calldown more often that you think, these paired boards get checkraised by Ace hi a lot IMO...

Nomar 12-14-2005 06:06 PM

Re: 150-300 PAYOFF
 

I 3 bet preflop with this hand some of the time.

Once the flop comes I dont think you can ever lay off the gas pedal, 4 bet flop bet turn ...

J_V 12-14-2005 06:12 PM

Re: 150-300 PAYOFF
 
I was planning to checkraise the turn. 4 betting the flop and leading the turn is clearly better. And if called maybe check-raising the river.

J_V 12-14-2005 06:14 PM

Re: 150-300 PAYOFF
 
A flush draw didn't enter my mind. I thought she had a good ace high a low to medium pair or an overpair. I figured he most likely hand was around 77 and that she would probably bet the turn.

After not four betting, donk betting is much better than going for a check raise.

HiatusOver 12-14-2005 07:31 PM

Re: 150-300 PAYOFF
 
Nomar u think the BB is betting the river with A high?

Nomar 12-14-2005 07:44 PM

Re: 150-300 PAYOFF
 
i think the BB is betting that river with every hand other than Ace high, pairs as well as King high and worse hands...

so no haitus, i dont think the BB is betting A high, I dont think calling the river with K high would be the worst play either...


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